Donald Trump wants to arm teachers with guns

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Why don't we have classroom doors that can only be opened from the inside?

[pocaracas]

If we could have a world without guns it would be great. But no, it wouldn't, we'd still have swords and knives and clubs, and if we got rid of those we'd still have pitchforks and arms and legs. So we have to do something that will deal with reality. Reality is there are guns and anyone that wants one bad enough can get one. So yes, education, but yes, also protection. It's not an either/or. They're addressing two different, but related issues. My .02c

And yes to a short-medium term plan to lower the presence of guns.

[Amarok]

Because the state of Israel doesn't allow Palestinian kids to go to school.  Therefore when the IDF shoots unarmed Palestinian children they're not in school. Hence no school shootings.

Because if someone wants to go on killing spree their are other options 

[Shell B]

Why don't we have classroom doors that can only be opened from the inside?

Do you have children?

[KevinM1]

Why don't we have classroom doors that can only be opened from the inside?

Safety. If the people in a room are, for whatever reason, incapacitated, emergency response couldn't get to them. Two immediate examples I can think of are carbon monoxide poisoning (a frequent occurrence in New England during the winter with poorly maintained and/or ventilated heating systems) and science classroom issues (fires, explosions, chemical spills/issues, etc.).

[RoadRunner79]

If we could have a world without guns it would be great. But no, it wouldn't, we'd still have swords and knives and clubs, and if we got rid of those we'd still have pitchforks and arms and legs. So we have to do something that will deal with reality. Reality is there are guns and anyone that wants one bad enough can get one. So yes, education, but yes, also protection. It's not an either/or. They're addressing two different, but related issues. My .02c

Cutlery is even more readily available than guns!

Birthday cake stabbing!

https://nypost.com/2017/11/22/brawl-over...-stabbing/

[Amarok]

By the way nice fake image wooter . But integrity and honesty  is not your strong suit when it comes to pushing your ideology
 

There is a picture going around the Internet that I have seen about a dozen times today that claims that Israeli teachers are packing heat. Well, are they? The answer is “NO.” There may be some exceptions in dangerous areas like the West Bank (where five percent of Israelis live), but in general, Israeli teachers are not walking around like it’s the Wild Wild West, strapped with a six shooter. No, our teachers are not focused on shooting, but educating. That doesn’t mean, however, that we don’t protect young students.
In the picture, the students are on an outing. While it appears that the teacher is holding a rifle, I have never seen such a thing in ten years of living here. Rest assured however, they are under armed protection. In most cases it is an armed guard or a soldier that will accompany a class, not the teacher. And my guess is that the woman with the gun is a security guard, not a teacher.
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Israel’s successful gun ownership laws both serve to make sure upstanding, brave and mentally sound citizens have access to guns, and that those who present even a minor threat are prevented from possessing one. It would be a mistake to use Israel as the poster child for more weapons in the US, as our success here is much more connected to limiting weapons and enabling strategies such as gates, fences and armed guards (not armed teachers), to protect our children. Sorry to disappoint, but the truth is important.

And 

As we traveled the streets of Tel-Aviv, my mind turned to stories I’d heard of how there are soldiers securing every school and school bus in Israel. I quickly learned after observing a school from the street and making inquiries of our police escort that this was not the case. It is correct that they do indeed have armed security in every school and that an officer is very visible. All the security officers working in the schools are under the guidance of the Israel police, and the standards are high. Unannounced drills are frequent to test operational readiness.

Regarding school buses, there is no such thing in Israel. Any child not walking or being taken to school rides on public transportation. Now, very often there is an armed IDF soldier on the bus, yet this is happenstance and not by design. When there is a heavily attended school field trip, contracted IDF soldiers, police or armed security officers provide the escort for the group.

https://www.snopes.com/is-armed-teacher-...ts-israel/

Maybe do some research sometime

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Why don't we have classroom doors that can only be opened from the inside?

Safety.  If the people in a room are, for whatever reason, incapacitated, emergency response couldn't get to them.  Two immediate examples I can think of are carbon monoxide poisoning (a frequent occurrence in New England during the winter with poorly maintained and/or ventilated heating systems) and science classroom issues (fires, explosions, chemical spills/issues, etc.).

Simple enough, have a master override switch. The doors would only be one way in emergencies. And the officer could open them all with one command. And the top windows would be able to be opened.

[Amarok]

Oh and last checked America was not located in a war zone

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You cannot learn if you're dead. Sadly, people like you don't think children are worth protecting.

Nice strawman . Oh and from people who are fine to let kids die poverty or without proper health care that's fucking rich

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If we could have a world without guns it would be great. But no, it wouldn't, we'd still have swords and knives and clubs, and if we got rid of those we'd still have pitchforks and arms and legs. So we have to do something that will deal with reality. Reality is there are guns and anyone that wants one bad enough can get one. So yes, education, but yes, also protection. It's not an either/or. They're addressing two different, but related issues. My .02c

When can show me 49 people killed by one man weilding a sword a knife or a pitchfork or their bare fists i'll take this argument seriously.


Their is a reason this is the weapon of choice for mass murders .

[RoadRunner79]

That sounds like what Pa is looking at. Single entrance with metal detectors, and an armed guard. They described it as simalar to what would be seen at a government building.

So for the sake of argument let's say this was done.  You have spent a shitload of money and not deprived a single psycho of his assault weapon but you have turned schools into fortresses.  Congratulations.

Now, what do you do when one of them says "Fuck that.... I'll ambush a school bus instead."  50-60 kids in a nice contained spot.  Open up on the driver and then just blast away.  What's your next move?  Armed guards on every school bus?   That wouldn't help.  The guard would be just one more target and would quickly find that his handgun was pretty fucking worthless against an AR-15.   How about a machine gun turret on the top of every school bus so the guard could have a 360 degree field of fire?  Don't like that?  How about armor plating and bullet proof glass for every school bus?  But don't raise taxes on the rich to pay for it.

Let's say you accomplish that.  Each school bus is now an armored personnel carrier.  What's to stop a determined shooter from simply shooting up the bus stop while the kids are standing there?  Now what do you do?  Put an armed guard at every bus stop in the country. 

The problem is not easy access to guns OR mental health.  It is easy access to guns AND mental health.  And here's the part that the gun nuts hate.  Gun control is actually the easier part of that equation but one without the other is simply a waste of time and money.  This country has too many guns and too many nuts.

I didn't say that I'm all for this solution.   I think that there are pros and cons.   However I think that you are on to something, when you say that the problem is not just schools, and the "nuts" will move onto something else.   I think that much the same reasoning follows with banning guns.   I think that many are focusing on an aspect of the problem, rather than the cause.   To me, no different than what you are saying here, about eliminating school shootings, but moving the problems elsewhere.