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RE: Does the head follow the heart in matters of truth?
March 16, 2018 at 11:25 am
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The former would be a formal fallacy, the latter an informal fallacy. Your link and quote mine is not arguing what I just explained to you, what you quoted and responded to. I think you really could understand this if you followed through on the assertion you made..and claimed was not a fallacy so long as you granted x- but it's going to require your engagement, lol.
-The invitation isn't limited ofc, anyone can offer any answer to the central assertion..that people believe because evidence.
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RE: Does the head follow the heart in matters of truth?
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RE: Does the head follow the heart in matters of truth?
March 16, 2018 at 11:31 am
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Do you, then, grant that people believe based upon evidence?
(I don't have any problem with the assertion at all, I can grant it with ease...it;s just nice to make sure we're working with some sort of shared baseline)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Does the head follow the heart in matters of truth?
March 16, 2018 at 11:32 am
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RE: Does the head follow the heart in matters of truth?
March 16, 2018 at 11:42 am
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Thanks for the correction in designation. Whether a given fallacy is formal or informal is often conflated, and I'm no different than anyone else in that regard. Now that we share -that- baseline would it be accurate to suggest that you think this statement..a statement in which you would not grant the listed assertion..would be an informal fallacy, then?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Does the head follow the heart in matters of truth?
March 17, 2018 at 1:07 pm
When it comes to analyzing what you appreciate and value in appreciation, is it a this or that?
You need both reason as far as it's analytical approach as well as the emotional beauty assessment, both the logical and artistic side.
To choose one with the other, is destruction. Choose the emotional without ground logical reason, and you get chaotic and invest your emotions illogically.
And if just thinks thing pragmatically and logically, you lose your sense of purpose, and your fuel. It becomes an almost meaningless trivial action or state of being.
I was told by the psychologist I saw last summer, I have the sweet spot between the two, and they really believed I had the "wise mind" sweet spot in the middle.
I am not sure though, but I am thankful if that is my state.
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RE: Does the head follow the heart in matters of truth?
March 17, 2018 at 2:01 pm
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We've long been accustomed to thinking of the two separately, but that's probably an effect of our ignorance rather than a binding proclamations. The "head and heart" inform each other, and in point of fact..it's the head and the head. The brain is producing both.
We consider conclusions lacking in one or the other..well...lacking....
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RE: Does the head follow the heart in matters of truth?
March 17, 2018 at 2:34 pm
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RE: Does the head follow the heart in matters of truth?
March 17, 2018 at 2:45 pm
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How to properly use reason, logic, and science is a huge debate of humans, just as how to approach spirituality is. Appeal to authority is the go to for some and everyone claims they reflected properly over what their authority figures teach, and that is why they recommend to learn from them. Everyone choose their idols and who they want to rely on to think for them.
All I can suggest is see the double standards that everyone does, and don't the same.
No seeker of knowledge believes in blindly following anyone, but almost ever claimer of seeker of knowledge relies on so few people at the top for their path to knowledge.
But we can't but error, and so we have to work with our errors and learn from people who reflected the issue already (no need to invent the wheel so to speak), right?
There is the pragmatic world (we need to learn from experts for skills) and there is the outlook views which love is to be guided by.
Humans don't go to fight over what is better way to program a program or we don't fight wars over software disputes on what is the best way to approach a problem in programming. This is why as hard as computer science is I find it therapeutically.
But to let go of attachments, attachments we have made in love based on falsehoods we erred in, that is no easy task.
The issue you get little attachment to change in field in programming, but to change the ways of humans, and to change their ways of love, yes, people have attachments.
Richard Dawkins is perhaps one of the most irrational human beings but most cunning, the way the ancients define intelligence, I would not say he is, but I would say he is a fast brain, is cunning, and has charisma.
And that is another thing, we are moving away from a lot of parameters of language, we've equated words together that were distinct in the past, and we are becoming clumsy with words and then assessing the past with redefining words.
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