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RE: SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves
April 9, 2018 at 2:24 pm
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(April 9, 2018 at 2:18 pm)alpha male Wrote: (April 9, 2018 at 1:48 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Apparently he thinks the analogy makes sense. I just can't ...
Key words: "I don't care if a fetus is considered a human being or not."
You're saying straight out that it's acceptable to kill a human being if it's dependent on another human being and that second human being is unhappy about the situation.
Those circumstances don't end at the moment of birth.
No I didn't say anything of that sort "straight out". Once the child is outside of the woman's body, it becomes a completely different matter. In extreme cases, if an already born child is unwanted by their real parents, there's adoption (and multiple other ways that don't involve killing the child). Either way, different subject of debate altogether. It's only people like you who think they are reasonably comparable.
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RE: SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves
April 9, 2018 at 2:24 pm
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(April 9, 2018 at 2:18 pm)alpha male Wrote: Those circumstances don't end at the moment of birth.
The situation regarding the compelling interest of the state, however, does..so..again, irrelevant, as it doesn;t follow logically -or- legally.
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RE: SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves
April 9, 2018 at 3:07 pm
(April 9, 2018 at 2:21 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: A fetus is a "potential" human being. It is NOT a "human being".
What makes the difference? About 90% of systems are in tact by the fetus stage. By what standard do you de-humanize them?
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April 9, 2018 at 3:11 pm
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What difference do you think it would make, either way? We don't need to de-humanize anyone in order for killing them to be legal.
The "but it's real human bay-bee!" angle already tried and failed. It's a credible appeal to emotion, but not a competent comment on the legal status of abortion.
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April 9, 2018 at 3:19 pm
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(April 9, 2018 at 2:24 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (April 9, 2018 at 2:18 pm)alpha male Wrote: Key words: "I don't care if a fetus is considered a human being or not."
You're saying straight out that it's acceptable to kill a human being if it's dependent on another human being and that second human being is unhappy about the situation.
Those circumstances don't end at the moment of birth.
No I didn't say anything of that sort "straight out". Once the child is outside of the woman's body, it becomes a completely different matter. In extreme cases, if an already born child is unwanted by their real parents, there's adoption (and multiple other ways that don't involve killing the child). Either way, different subject of debate altogether. It's only people like you who think they are reasonably comparable. This very this
Potential human being !!!
And this is potential dimond should treat the same as one .
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RE: SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves
April 9, 2018 at 3:24 pm
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(April 9, 2018 at 12:48 pm)alpha male Wrote: (April 9, 2018 at 11:07 am)Grandizer Wrote: Me personally, I don't care if a fetus is considered a human being or not. There's a far more important point to consider in the abortion debate than the so-called humanity of something that relies on someone else's bodily resources for its survival. If women are allowed to be treated as fully human beings just like men, then they should have the right to be in full control of their reproductive rights. It would otherwise be a violation of her rights to demand she carry an unwanted fetus inside her own body all the way through to the end just to make some assholes happy (and at the expense of her own happiness), and it wouldn't be much better than slavery.
The obvious response to this is that, by that logic, a woman should be able to have a child euthanized if she thinks that would make her happier.
No.
But I know a few adults who would benefit from a post-birth abortion.
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April 9, 2018 at 3:51 pm
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(April 9, 2018 at 2:21 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: A fetus is a "potential" human being. It is NOT a "human being".
Grandizer took that distinction off the table. He was probably typing too hastily, but that's what he said - it doesn't matter if it's a human being, you can still kill it if it's dependent on you and you don't want it. An infant fits that description.
(April 9, 2018 at 2:24 pm)Grandizer Wrote: No I didn't say anything of that sort "straight out". Once the child is outside of the woman's body, it becomes a completely different matter.
You said it doesn't matter if it's a human being or not. So, what's different?
Quote:In extreme cases, if an already born child is unwanted by their real parents, there's adoption (and multiple other ways that don't involve killing the child).
Adoption is an alternative to abortion as well.
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April 9, 2018 at 4:19 pm
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RE: SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves
April 9, 2018 at 6:49 pm
(April 9, 2018 at 3:19 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: (April 9, 2018 at 2:24 pm)Grandizer Wrote: No I didn't say anything of that sort "straight out". Once the child is outside of the woman's body, it becomes a completely different matter. In extreme cases, if an already born child is unwanted by their real parents, there's adoption (and multiple other ways that don't involve killing the child). Either way, different subject of debate altogether. It's only people like you who think they are reasonably comparable. This very this
Potential human being !!!
And this is potential dimond should treat the same as one .
Whoops typo
And this is a potential dimond should it be treated the same as one .
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RE: SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves
April 9, 2018 at 6:51 pm
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(April 9, 2018 at 3:51 pm)alpha male Wrote: (April 9, 2018 at 2:21 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: A fetus is a "potential" human being. It is NOT a "human being".
Grandizer took that distinction off the table. He was probably typing too hastily, but that's what he said - it doesn't matter if it's a human being, you can still kill it if it's dependent on you and you don't want it. An infant fits that description.
(April 9, 2018 at 2:24 pm)Grandizer Wrote: No I didn't say anything of that sort "straight out". Once the child is outside of the woman's body, it becomes a completely different matter.
You said it doesn't matter if it's a human being or not. So, what's different?
Quote:In extreme cases, if an already born child is unwanted by their real parents, there's adoption (and multiple other ways that don't involve killing the child).
Adoption is an alternative to abortion as well.
You need to reread what I said if you missed the part about full control of one's body.
And adoption isn't a good alternative to abortion when the woman is forced to carry the unwanted fetus to the very end. You dont give a shit about women's rights, and that's the real problem.
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