Skeptics might be jumping to conclusions

[Transcended Dimensions]

I am suggesting that people might be close minded and jumping to conclusions.  As for laziness, a person might have an interest in a particular thing such as video games, but has no interest in researching about the technical aspects of video games and video game systems.  The person just wants to play the video games without doing the research.  I have an interest in the idea of the afterlife because I would really want the eternal blissful afterlife of my dreams to exist.  But I have no interest in doing the research.  Neither can I comprehend the research.  It would be no different than how an average person having fun playing video games cannot comprehend the technical research in regards to video games and video game systems.

Then don't complain that perhaps nobody knows enough to construct video games.

If you want to understand, you have to put in the effort. If you don't want to put in the effort, you don't have the right to criticize the conclusions of those that do.

You want warm fuzzies without thought. OK. Don't expect anyone else to listen to your speculations then.

I think that's a flawed analogy you have used in regards to the paranormal.  How does knowing how to construct video games analogous with knowing that consciousness is reduced to the brain and that, once the brain dies, we are gone with it?

[haig]

Just read a review by CSI of a book by Dean Radin, and as expected, the author mirepresents and cherry picks data to change results. Soooooo zero credibility.

Yeah, there's an unbiased source....(don't think so.) Any group with skeptical in their name can pretty much be counted on to defend the brand.

Did you actually read the review? Very well done. Critical and provides supporting evidence. But then you just were jumping to a conclusion.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Yeah, there's an unbiased source....(don't think so.) Any group with skeptical in their name can pretty much be counted on to defend the brand.

Did you actually read the review? Very well done. Critical and provides supporting evidence. But then you just were jumping to a conclusion.

No one ever erected a statue to a skeptic. I read Radin's research and made up my own mind. I don't read movie reviews either.

[KevinM1]

The actual quote is "no one ever erected a statue of a critic."

[The Grand Nudger]

I guess we're just not as into graven images as some?

[KevinM1]

There's that

But the actual quote is about art, and that it's far harder to create art than it is to criticize what's produced.  That the very endeavor of artistic expression, regardless of result, has meaning beyond whatever the critic may see.

Of course, that means that the quote has absolutely zero meaning in the context of this thread, which is about whether or not paranormal research (a (pseudo?) scientific endeavor) has merit or is treated fairly.  Science isn't about expression, but examination.  And both results and the methods used to obtain them should be criticized.  That's the entire point of peer review and repeated experimentation.

So, ultimately, it's Wooters trying and failing (yet again) at being scathingly witty towards skeptics.

[Whateverist]

But according to troll-bot they are taking short cuts.  Rather than devoting their entire lives to exhaustively taking in every shred of could-be evidence they just jump to the position that it is probably all hog wash.  Of course troll-bot doesn't do that himself because he values his own projects more, same as we do.  But troll-bot just wants everyone to agree that he is superior for holding pseudo-researchers in equal esteem to those investigating quantum mechanics, being as he is in no position to judge either one.  I suspect he just lacks our confidence in the peer review process available to every serious researcher in any empirical investigation.  If his pseudo-researchers want my respect they can bring what they have to one of those.  If the best in the field sign off on their work, then I might give it a little attention stolen away from my own precious projects .. maybe.

The paranormal researchers such as Dean Radin claim there is peer reviewed research.  It is called IONS.  If any skeptic objects to this, then it could still be possible they are being close minded and jumping to conclusions using their shortcuts:

http://noetic.org/research/psi-research

Hey as long as the organization is in good standing with other well established peer review vehicles fine with me.  But if this is just some hack group like Rik's intuitional scientists, shove it, you're not being serious.

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I claim that you're full of shit.  I guess you'll never really know whether or not you're full of shit.  : shrugs :

Yeah, I doubt if he is willing to dedicate himself to the long path of collecting all the evidence regarding his being full of shit.  He really is a slacker-bot.

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Yep. Lazy. Doesn't want to do any investigation themselves, and then wants to complain that others arrived at a conclusion.Not saying anything, really. Just complaining. Or suggesting everyone might be wrong.

I am suggesting ..

No need to get all verbose about it.  My edit cuts to the chase.

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Yeah, there's an unbiased source....(don't think so.) Any group with skeptical in their name can pretty much be counted on to defend the brand.

Did you actually read the review? Very well done. Critical and provides supporting evidence. But then you just were jumping to a conclusion.

Typical theist short cut.

[Transcended Dimensions]

I will just say one last thing here that is on my mind. That is, I do not know when to decide something whether it be looking into the paranormal and skeptical research or looking into anything else. I just remain undecided. I can look into all the research and into all the things the skeptics have to say. But I will never be able to decide since I will always have it in my mind that perhaps it's not time to make that decision and that there is much more to keep an open mind to and look into.

[The Grand Nudger]

I contend that this isn't on your mind, at all..chiefly because you don't have one.  I guess you can't know, for sure...just like you'll never know whether or not you'll be able to decide...a subject in which we are also in disagreement.

I can see why having a "discussion" this way is so much fun.
(I contend that you can't, just because I can..for completeness)

[Simon Moon]

I will just say one last thing here that is on my mind. That is, I do not know when to decide something whether it be looking into the paranormal and skeptical research or looking into anything else. I just remain undecided. I can look into all the research and into all the things the skeptics have to say. But I will never be able to decide since I will always have it in my mind that perhaps it's not time to make that decision and that there is much more to keep an open mind to and look into.

This pretty much sums up your complete misunderstanding of what the skeptical position is.

Here's how it works.

People claim paranormal phenomena exists. Skeptics are unconvinced that those positing a paranormal phenomena exists, have not met their burden of proof.

The skeptical position is not that the paranormal does not exist, the skeptical position is that the paranormal has not been confirmed to exist.