Did Jesus ever sin?

[Antares]

His dad half (third?)boinked a young, betrothed Hebrew gal without her consent.

[Minimalist]

You're being a cry baby because I want give into your false accusations of the scriptures,

They stole the story from Josephus' autobiography anyway, G-C.  When will you get it through your thick fucking head that your bible is a pile of shit cobbled together by forgers?

Moreover, when I was a child, and about fourteen years of age, I was commended by all for the love I had to learning; on which account the high priests and principal men of the city came then frequently to me together, in order to know my opinion about the accurate understanding of points of the law.

Life   Ch 2      

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/autobiog.htm

Of course, if Josephus pulled that shit at 14 the later xtian liars had to make jesus "12".  Doesn't matter.  Shitheads like you will fall for anything.

[Minimalist]

Ran across this last night while reading Ehrman's "Jesus Before The Gospels" again.  It seems that early jesus freaks ran into the same problem of a sinning jesus and had to find a way to fix it.  A sure sign of made up bullshit!

THE BAPTISM OF JESUS AND HIS RELATION TO JOHN—The earliest account of Jesus’s baptism is in Mark. It is the first episode that the Gospel narrates. John is said to be preaching “a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.”

Along with “all the country of Judea” (surely an exaggeration) Jesus comes to be baptized. When he comes up out of the water, the heavens split open, the Spirit descends upon him like a dove, and a voice comes from heaven, “You are my beloved son; I am well pleased with you” (Mark 1:9–11).

It appears that this simple narrative created problems for early Christians, for a fairly obvious reason: in early Christian ritual it was widely thought that the person doing the baptizing was spiritually superior to the one being baptized. So how could Jesus be baptized by someone else? Wouldn’t that suggest his spiritual inferiority? Mark’s Gospel already works to counter the idea that John could have been Jesus’s spiritual leader and teacher by having John proclaim that he was merely a forerunner: someone else was coming soon who would be greater than he.

But there was an even bigger problem that Mark doesn’t try to resolve. If John’s baptism was for “repentance,” to show, or to bring about, “the forgiveness of sins,” why was Jesus baptized? Did he need to repent and be forgiven of his sins? The early Christians obviously did not think so. What sins?

But if he had no sins, why was he baptized? Matthew’s Gospel provides an answer, which appears to have come about later in the tradition as the story was told and retold. Here, when Jesus arrives at the Jordan to be baptized, John tries to prevent him, by indicating that it is Jesus who should baptize him. But Jesus urges him to go ahead and do his duty, “to fulfill all righteousness” (Matt. 3:13–17). Here the earlier problem Christians would have had with the baptism is dealt with efficiently. Jesus now does not actually need to be baptized; he does so because it is the right thing to do. It is interesting to note that the voice from heaven that comes at the baptism in Matthew’s account says something slightly different from Mark’s. Here the voice speaks not to Jesus (“You are my son”) but to either John or the crowd (“This is my son”). Did the voice say both things?

It's little fuck ups like this which cement the position of 'mark' as the earliest and most primitive gospel.  The fact that matty ( and as Ehrman points out later on) luke come up with different solutions to the problem of jesus being a sinning little prick that demonstrate that the gospels are just made-up shit, edited and re-edited to fix doctrinal problems that jesus freaks could not abide.

[vorlon13]

Maybe Jesus was a little slow to pick up on toilet training?

[Minimalist]

The Infancy gospel indicates that he was something of a little prick.

[CapnAwesome]

Oh yeah, they wanted him to stay in the temple, just like all parents would love, for their 12 year old to stay somewhere without them. That's why they specifically chastised him for it. Also, it's parents. Mary is his parent, so is Joseph for that matter.

It's funny how you can switch between strict literalism and a very loose interpretation whenever it pleases you. Of course I knew there was no point in arguing with you anyway, because of that.

 The scriptures said they believed He was with relatives and he was only a few years from what would have been considered adulthood. They did not specifically chastise Him, Mary asked Him a question, chastising doesn't have questions, it involves telling. Joseph understood He was the earthly parent of Jesus overseeing His development during childhood. Jesus himself told Mary He was doing His Father's work. I do not switch nothing at all, the verses say what they say and they did not say what you wanted them to. sorry if you have trouble understanding what they say, it's not my fault, I've been trying to teach them here for years but the atheist just want listen.
 You're being a cry baby because I want give into your false accusations of the scriptures, seems to me you would be willing to argue with someone who desires to be consistent. I have always tried to be consistent and I'm not sure where you think I haven't.

GC

The verses do say what they say. You are the one warping them to fit your belief structure. It's clear as day he disobeyed his parents there. If it were a story about a random child and not about Jesus, and you asked a person "did this child disobey his parents in this story" the answer is beyond obvious.

I'm not going to argue further though. You asked me to prove my accusation using only the bible, I did. You twist the story to fit your narrative, the narrative of a sinless divine Jesus (does the bible even claim Jesus to be sinless? I think not) there is nothing left to say on it.

[Abaddon_ire]

Prove your statement, the Bible is your only source for this.

GC

No problem.  Here is Luke 2:41-52

Luke 2:41-52 New International Version (NIV)
The Boy Jesus at the Temple
41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom. 43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”

49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”[a] 50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them.

51 Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. 52 And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.

Bold is mine, highlighting that he ran away for three days against the will of his parents and that he was obedient only afterwards.

This is in comparison to the 4th commandment which is to honor thy father and mother. Exodus 20:12

On behalf of the victims, If your mother or father rapes you, should you still respect them? Yes or no?

[Godscreated]

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 The scriptures said they believed He was with relatives and he was only a few years from what would have been considered adulthood. They did not specifically chastise Him, Mary asked Him a question, chastising doesn't have questions, it involves telling. Joseph understood He was the earthly parent of Jesus overseeing His development during childhood. Jesus himself told Mary He was doing His Father's work. I do not switch nothing at all, the verses say what they say and they did not say what you wanted them to. sorry if you have trouble understanding what they say, it's not my fault, I've been trying to teach them here for years but the atheist just want listen.
 You're being a cry baby because I want give into your false accusations of the scriptures, seems to me you would be willing to argue with someone who desires to be consistent. I have always tried to be consistent and I'm not sure where you think I haven't.

GC

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The verses do say what they say. You are the one warping them to fit your belief structure. It's clear as day he disobeyed his parents there. If it were a story about a random child and not about Jesus, and you asked a person "did this child disobey his parents in this story" the answer is beyond obvious.  

I'm not going to argue further though. You asked me to prove my accusation using only the bible, I did. You twist the story to fit your narrative,  the narrative of a sinless divine Jesus (does the bible even claim Jesus to be sinless? I think not) there is nothing left to say on it.

 Backing out of something you can't win is a good thing, backing out of something you can't win and declaring yourself a winner is childish at best. The scriptures do say Jesus was sinless and you can't prove differently, thus Jesus did not disobey his parents, and why, because they never told Him directly when they were leaving. This is another reason I've given as proof. It is you who twist the scriptures to fit what you do not believe in and I frankly find that pitiful. I've always have been consistent in my interpretations of scripture and atheist are never consistent, they choose what fits the times, ie. argument.

GC

[Foxaèr]

The scriptures do say Jesus was sinless and you can't prove differently

Incorrect, we've already been through this. Your corrupted source informs you of one thing, while other perfectly valid sources inform us that Jesus was not divine whatsoever. Of course, you are going to choose to believe what you want to believe because it helps you better cope with your life.

[Minimalist]

The scriptures do say Jesus was sinless and you can't prove differently

You're fucking scriptures are bullshit.