(April 24, 2018 at 12:50 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(April 24, 2018 at 12:38 am)Minimalist Wrote: Scary that a grown man can fall for such shit.

 
 The fear will be your's one day if you do not change and you will see what I believe is truth.

GC

There is no fucking chance of that.  You're insane.

(April 24, 2018 at 12:31 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(April 22, 2018 at 8:34 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: He disobeyed his parents by preaching in the temple when he was a child, which violates the 10 commandments. I always wonder why it doesn't get more attention,  seems like an explicit sin.

Prove your statement, the Bible is your only source for this.

GC

No problem. Here is Luke 2:41-52

Quote: Luke 2:41-52 New International Version (NIV)
The Boy Jesus at the Temple
41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom. 43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”

49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”[a] 50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them.

51 Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. 52 And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.

Bold is mine, highlighting that he ran away for three days against the will of his parents and that he was obedient only afterwards.

This is in comparison to the 4th commandment which is to honor thy father and mother. Exodus 20:12

Why didn't return within the lifetime of his followers as promised?

I thought lying was a sin too....

(April 24, 2018 at 12:52 am)Astreja Wrote: And again GC stamps his feet and threatens us all with the wrath of his imaginary friend.  *sigh*  Why do you bother?  It doesn't work on us.  I can only presume it gives you the spiritual equivalent of a hard-on to be reading us the riot act in such a manner.

-when people want to frighten others...they inevitably invoke whatever scares the piss out of them.  GC's been threatening people with hell for years on these boards.  It's fair to assume that he's positively terrified that he's going to end up there..no matter how many time he engages in pious theater here on these boards about his deep relationship with christ.  That's probably -why- he's here..babbling at us about hell.

In his case, I'd assume his business was completely flaccid out of abject terror, a terror he can't voice or acknowledge. God doesn't speak to him, he's going to hell.

(April 24, 2018 at 12:36 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(April 22, 2018 at 9:23 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Being an arms monger might be sinful in some eyes:


Luke 22  (KJV)
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Jesus told peter to stop being a foolish man and to put away his sword after cutting the ear off the servant. He healed the man's ear immediately. So don't tell me God has never healed an amputee.

GC

Matthew leaves the ear off:

Matthew 26 (KJV)
51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.


Mark leaves the ear off:

Mark 14 (KJV)
47 And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.


John leaves the ear off:

John 18 (KJV)
10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.




Not sure how this helps your side . . . .

(April 24, 2018 at 5:01 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(April 24, 2018 at 12:31 am)Godscreated Wrote: Prove your statement, the Bible is your only source for this.

GC

No problem.  Here is Luke 2:41-52 

Quote: Luke 2:41-52 New International Version (NIV)
The Boy Jesus at the Temple
41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom. 43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”

49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”[a] 50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them.

51 Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. 52 And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.

Bold is mine, highlighting that he ran away for three days against the will of his parents and that he was obedient only afterwards.

This is in comparison to the 4th commandment which is to honor thy father and mother. Exodus 20:12

Jesus was honoring His Father, bold mine in red, Jesus was saying to His mother and Joseph that they should have come straight away to the temple because there was no other place He would be. They never told Jesus to come home with them so He couldn't have disobeyed them. Mary must not have seen what Jesus did as disobedience because she treasure all those things in her heart, a parent doesn't treasure disobedience. Bold in blue by me.

Now to address your purposeful misinterpretation, you say He ran away, the scriptures say He stayed behind, He may have been in the temple before they left but we know for sure He did not run away because He never left with them. Your deception was fruitless, truth always works best. 

GC

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(April 24, 2018 at 7:44 am)vorlon13 Wrote:

(April 24, 2018 at 12:36 am)Godscreated Wrote: Jesus told peter to stop being a foolish man and to put away his sword after cutting the ear off the servant. He healed the man's ear immediately. So don't tell me God has never healed an amputee.

GC

Matthew leaves the ear off:

Matthew 26  (KJV)
51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.


Mark leaves the ear off:

Mark 14  (KJV)
47 And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.


John leaves the ear off:

John 18   (KJV)
10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.




Not sure how this helps your side . . . .

 I do not see that I'm on any side, I am following God. Just because three did not tell of the healing doesn't mean it did not happen, the three that left it out had seen jesus heal the sick, cripple and blind many many times and would not be surprised at this healing. Luke on the other hand had not seen all those healings and as a doctor was fascinated by it.

 This is all you see in this story pitiful, you were the one who said Jesus was promoting using violence and I was showing you that He wasn't, you strayed from the argument because you had none.

GC

Quote:Jesus was honoring His Father, bold mine in red,

Um, his father was a rapist, asshole.

(April 25, 2018 at 12:06 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(April 24, 2018 at 5:01 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: No problem.  Here is Luke 2:41-52 




Bold is mine, highlighting that he ran away for three days against the will of his parents and that he was obedient only afterwards.

This is in comparison to the 4th commandment which is to honor thy father and mother. Exodus 20:12

Jesus was honoring His Father, bold mine in red, Jesus was saying to His mother and Joseph that they should have come straight away to the temple because there was no other place He would be. They never told Jesus to come home with them so He couldn't have disobeyed them. Mary must not have seen what Jesus did as disobedience because she treasure all those things in her heart, a parent doesn't treasure disobedience. Bold in blue by me.

Now to address your purposeful misinterpretation, you say He ran away, the scriptures say He stayed behind, He may have been in the temple before they left but we know for sure He did not run away because He never left with them. Your deception was fruitless, truth always works best. 

GC

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(April 24, 2018 at 7:44 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Matthew leaves the ear off:

Matthew 26  (KJV)
51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.


Mark leaves the ear off:

Mark 14  (KJV)
47 And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.


John leaves the ear off:

John 18   (KJV)
10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.




Not sure how this helps your side . . . .

 I do not see that I'm on any side, I am following God. Just because three did not tell of the healing doesn't mean it did not happen, the three that left it out had seen jesus heal the sick, cripple and blind many many times and would not be surprised at this healing. Luke on the other hand had not seen all those healings and as a doctor was fascinated by it.

 This is all you see in this story pitiful, you were the one who said Jesus was promoting using violence and I was showing you that He wasn't, you strayed from the argument because you had none.

GC

Oh yeah, they wanted him to stay in the temple, just like all parents would love, for their 12 year old to stay somewhere without them. That's why they specifically chastised him for it. Also, it's parents. Mary is his parent, so is Joseph for that matter.

It's funny how you can switch between strict literalism and a very loose interpretation whenever it pleases you. Of course I knew there was no point in arguing with you anyway, because of that.

(April 25, 2018 at 4:28 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:

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Jesus was honoring His Father, bold mine in red, Jesus was saying to His mother and Joseph that they should have come straight away to the temple because there was no other place He would be. They never told Jesus to come home with them so He couldn't have disobeyed them. Mary must not have seen what Jesus did as disobedience because she treasure all those things in her heart, a parent doesn't treasure disobedience. Bold in blue by me.

Now to address your purposeful misinterpretation, you say He ran away, the scriptures say He stayed behind, He may have been in the temple before they left but we know for sure He did not run away because He never left with them. Your deception was fruitless, truth always works best. 

GC

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 I do not see that I'm on any side, I am following God. Just because three did not tell of the healing doesn't mean it did not happen, the three that left it out had seen jesus heal the sick, cripple and blind many many times and would not be surprised at this healing. Luke on the other hand had not seen all those healings and as a doctor was fascinated by it.

 This is all you see in this story pitiful, you were the one who said Jesus was promoting using violence and I was showing you that He wasn't, you strayed from the argument because you had none.

GC[/hide]

Oh yeah, they wanted him to stay in the temple, just like all parents would love, for their 12 year old to stay somewhere without them. That's why they specifically chastised him for it. Also, it's parents. Mary is his parent, so is Joseph for that matter.

It's funny how you can switch between strict literalism and a very loose interpretation whenever it pleases you. Of course I knew there was no point in arguing with you anyway, because of that.

 The scriptures said they believed He was with relatives and he was only a few years from what would have been considered adulthood. They did not specifically chastise Him, Mary asked Him a question, chastising doesn't have questions, it involves telling. Joseph understood He was the earthly parent of Jesus overseeing His development during childhood. Jesus himself told Mary He was doing His Father's work. I do not switch nothing at all, the verses say what they say and they did not say what you wanted them to. sorry if you have trouble understanding what they say, it's not my fault, I've been trying to teach them here for years but the atheist just want listen.
 You're being a cry baby because I want give into your false accusations of the scriptures, seems to me you would be willing to argue with someone who desires to be consistent. I have always tried to be consistent and I'm not sure where you think I haven't.

GC

The 4th or 5th Commandment (depending on your source) is, "honor your father and mother." In Matthew 12:47-49, Jesus rebuked his mother and called his disciples his family.