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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 3:05 am
CDF47 Wrote:Things are either designed or not and DNA proves they are designed
There are four nucleobases to DNA : Cytosine - Adenine - Guanine - Thymine
And they are commonly abbreviated to CAGT and come in two pairs : CG - AT
When they are paired in certain sequences they produce specific proteins which loosely build organisms
All this process is just simple chemistry. None of it is designed and none of it is proof of Gods existence
Also proof is the remit of deductive disciplines such as mathematics and syllogisms but not science
So because chemistry is a branch of science it does not deal in proof but instead deals in evidence
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 6:43 am
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(May 6, 2018 at 9:26 pm)Quick Wrote: (May 6, 2018 at 7:25 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Quick: If you don't like our definitions or concept of pantheism how about enlightening us rather than being cryptic.
Or is this part of your superiority mystique?
To be perfectly honest, I am not entirely sure what I would consider myself specifically because I am not really well versed in such things. I made a thread recently where I outline my basic belief (when it comes to my "religious views" though I would really hate to call them that). Rather than getting off topic into oblivion (Not like I haven't done my fair share of off topic in this thread) I would prefer to move this discussion to my thread seen here: https://atheistforums.org/thread-54796.html If you want to discuss there, then I will know you care to know the answers of the questions you ask.
Yeah, I've read the rest of your posts in both threads. Still evasive and cryptic. And then pull the " there is nothing wrong with me, it's the rest of the forum that's wrong". You're behaving like a petulant child.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 6:52 am
(May 6, 2018 at 6:01 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Things are either designed or not. DNA proves they are designed. That's my point.
No it doesn't.
That's our point.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 7:12 am
(May 6, 2018 at 10:10 pm)Quick Wrote: There is a difference from this site to almost every other site I have ever been on, and it's not good. This is my observation: It is a forum of a bunch people who on average as a group score the lowest in agreeableness from the Big 5 trait that I think I have ever seen.
Antagonistic is the word I would use to describe the people here.
You need to explore the internet a bit more if you think this forum is particularly antagonistic.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 7:51 am
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(May 6, 2018 at 9:56 pm)Quick Wrote: I think you have no idea what you are talking about honesty. You are throwing all kinds of assumptions about me in this post which I am not going to discuss here.
Believe it or not, I am well suited to argue my own points, which you really have no desire to actually listen to. You act like having feelings is somehow a curse. News flash: you are also human.
This site is wearing very thin on me, not because of what the site represents, but because of the people that make up this site. I mean, all the people here claim foul when a christian gets upset and lashes out for being treated like shit, and then you guys have the audacity to tell that person they are out of line because they have said things that are less than acting like a saint. Talk about a double standard. If there is a morality in atheism, I don't see it. bold mine.
You clearly dodged a question when it was put to you. You made a claim and I did a minute's worth of searching for the definition, found it, posted it with a link and challenged your claim of not being a theist. You were asked about it from someone else and then went all on the defensive when I asked if you were going to address my post. I still haven't called you any names yet you've managed to generalize everyone here who hasn't agreed with you, by calling them an edgelord. Whatever the heck that is.
If you are so suited to argue your own points, argue them where they are brought up. Don't cop out now and say you want to discuss them in the "other" thread. You obviously brought it up here. So deal with it here. I'll gladly listen but being all accusatory over a few posts by generalizing people and making your own assumptions about everyone here (see the parts I bolded), isn't going to sit well with the membership. You've been here a handful of days yet, miraculously you already know how everyone here acts.
Please show me where I even act like "having feelings is somehow a curse." I simply responded to your initial name calling (ironic that you have the balls to call names as if everyone else here doesn't have feelings), as is my right. There are no double standards in my post, but you sure are acting like you should get special treatment simply because I challenged you about a claim you made that you still don't feel like answering. And you've been doing a lot of generalizing of the people here and that's not really a good way to start.
As for what I said about Mafia, please get over yourself. I asked you a simple question. I go by what I see in the posts you've made so far, which has shown me that you get easily offended when asked a question. I'm doing nothing more than reading your posts and responding accordingly. We call that discussion.
You should really check to make sure your own closet door is closed so that none of your skeletons fall out, before you start talking about other people's. IOW, Look at your own faults first before pointing out the faults of others. Newsflash: You're human too. So act like it instead of some entitled shrew thinking they can dish shit out without getting anything back in return. Some of your own posts on this site leave a lot to be desired. Let that marinate.
And for what it's worth - there are a bunch of Christians on this site that I happen to have a lot of respect for and consider them my friends so I hope you'll pardon me when I say you can rightly fuck off with your assumptions on how I feel about them.
(May 7, 2018 at 2:19 am)robvalue Wrote: (May 6, 2018 at 11:52 am)Quick Wrote: Jung has some interesting thoughts on this, but I honestly don't think you want to hear them.
What exactly was this post, if not antagonistic?
It was entirely antagonistic.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 8:45 am
(May 6, 2018 at 9:56 pm)Quick Wrote: I mean, all the people here claim foul when a christian gets upset and lashes out for being treated like shit
I know it may seem like "all" when you read a thread and find it's two or three doing that in close succession... but I assure you not all do that.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 11:25 am
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(May 6, 2018 at 8:45 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: And it's fantasy delusion for the win!
No, atheism hasn't won this debate.
(May 6, 2018 at 10:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (May 6, 2018 at 6:01 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Things are either designed or not. DNA proves they are designed. That's my point. What undesigned thing can you point to for comparison? To show us the difference that makes design demonstrable? Additionally, why would it matter if dna were designed?
DNA is designed which means there is a Designer. We then look at the universe and realize it too is designed. From there it is time to turn to theology for answers.
(May 6, 2018 at 10:36 pm)Magilla Wrote: (May 6, 2018 at 6:01 pm)CDF47 Wrote: . . .
Things are either designed or not. DNA proves they are designed. That's my point.
. . .
Living things have designs. As humans we can look at the designs and recognise them. The design we can see can be explained in purely natural terms, without pre-planning having been involved. Multiplicities of trial and error by natural processes lead to the designs we see in nature. Evolution explains the apparency of design, and involves no god, nothing supernatural, and is well documented.
In evolution, new forms must necessarily be based on or derived from old forms. Because of this, not all designs arrived at by evolution, are optimal. Any solutions which evolution comes up with, merely have to be operational, and need not be optimal. Much of the design in nature is non-optimal, and indicative of a non-intelligent derivation.
Evidence of non-designed, or not pre-planned design, points to a no designer answer. Theological answers to poor design merely explain away such a thing. A lack of a designer explains the evidence of poor designs in nature. There is much documented evidence of poor design, which points a lack of intelligence in the source of the designs found.
A highly sophisticated digital code was found in DNA. It's designed by a Designer.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 11:40 am
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(May 7, 2018 at 11:25 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 6, 2018 at 8:45 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: And it's fantasy delusion for the win!
No, atheism hasn't won this debate.
(May 6, 2018 at 10:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: What undesigned thing can you point to for comparison? To show us the difference that makes design demonstrable? Additionally, why would it matter if dna were designed?
DNA is designed which means there is a Designer. We then look at the universe and realize it too is designed. From there it is time to turn to theology for answers.
(May 6, 2018 at 10:36 pm)Magilla Wrote: Living things have designs. As humans we can look at the designs and recognise them. The design we can see can be explained in purely natural terms, without pre-planning having been involved. Multiplicities of trial and error by natural processes lead to the designs we see in nature. Evolution explains the apparency of design, and involves no god, nothing supernatural, and is well documented.
In evolution, new forms must necessarily be based on or derived from old forms. Because of this, not all designs arrived at by evolution, are optimal. Any solutions which evolution comes up with, merely have to be operational, and need not be optimal. Much of the design in nature is non-optimal, and indicative of a non-intelligent derivation.
Evidence of non-designed, or not pre-planned design, points to a no designer answer. Theological answers to poor design merely explain away such a thing. A lack of a designer explains the evidence of poor designs in nature. There is much documented evidence of poor design, which points a lack of intelligence in the source of the designs found.
A highly sophisticated digital code was found in DNA. It's designed by a Designer.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 11:47 am
(May 7, 2018 at 11:25 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 6, 2018 at 10:12 pm)Khemikal Wrote: What undesigned thing can you point to for comparison? To show us the difference that makes design demonstrable? Additionally, why would it matter if dna were designed?
DNA is designed which means there is a Designer. We then look at the universe and realize it too is designed. From there it is time to turn to theology for answers. Again, what un-designed thing can you reference in comparison..so that I know the difference between what;s designed and what;s not?
If we could put some un-designed thing next to, say, "the universe"..and show that it;s designed...why would we then need to turn to theology for answers?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 7, 2018 at 11:55 am
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(May 7, 2018 at 11:47 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 7, 2018 at 11:25 am)CDF47 Wrote:
DNA is designed which means there is a Designer. We then look at the universe and realize it too is designed. From there it is time to turn to theology for answers. Again, what un-designed thing can you reference in comparison..so that I know the difference between what;s designed and what;s not?
If we could put some un-designed thing next to, say, "the universe"..and show that it;s designed...why would we then need to turn to theology for answers?
A rock is not designed, although in the grand scheme of things, since the entire universe is designed, it too is designed.
(May 7, 2018 at 11:40 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: (May 7, 2018 at 11:25 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, atheism hasn't won this debate.
DNA is designed which means there is a Designer. We then look at the universe and realize it too is designed. From there it is time to turn to theology for answers.
A highly sophisticated digital code was found in DNA. It's designed by a Designer.
Even a broken record should have the good grace to wear out and stop repeating itself.
The record wouldn't have to be broken if the atheists in this thread could understand those two simple facts.
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