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Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 9, 2018 at 3:12 am
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Who the fuck comes up with this shite!
I like it, but only because it sounds like divine legal gobbledygook. lol!
"Yeah, I know I killed all those people your honour, because I'm a sick fuck, but hey, here, take my 90 year old father instead and we'll just call it even!
(*whispers* shhhh... don't tell anyone but the old man's got cancer and will be dead anyway soon!)
And people really believe God would come up with stuff like this? When he can make anything happen anyway? Pretty bloody convoluted isn't it?
Obviously it wasn't God as it wasn't "invented" until the middle ages (below).
As an ignoramus, I'm genuinely curious now to know what core beliefs in the current modern day bible are actually original?
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/artic...atonement/
Quote:Skeptics commonly criticize core Christian beliefs by claiming that they were not really held by the earliest Christians. Instead, we are told, these beliefs were invented post facto by the institutional church.
The classic example of such an argument has to do with the divinity of Jesus. The earliest followers of Jesus didn’t really believe that Jesus was divine, this argument goes; it was only the later institutional church, under political pressure from Emperor Constantine, that insisted Jesus must have divine status. Thus, some argue, the belief that Jesus is God is not really, well, Christian.
Quote:Substitutionary Atonement
This same sort of argument has also been applied to other doctrines, particularly the substitutionary nature of the atonement. Critical scholars, led by the classic work of Gustaf Aulén, have long argued that the earliest Christians did not believe that Christ died as a substitute for sinners. Instead, they say, these Christians believed what is known as the “Christus victor” view of the atonement—the idea that Jesus’s death on the cross (and resurrection) conquered the Devil and other forces that held people in bondage. On this view, Christ did not die in place of rebellious sinners but instead rescued victims from a fallen world
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RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 9, 2018 at 9:19 am
Substitutionary Atonement?
Don't catholics do this with cash all of the time?
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RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 9, 2018 at 10:07 am
It's pretty crazy to think killing something innocent can wash away crimes. What about the crime of murder that you committed to wash away the other crimes? People don't like paying for their own crimes, so kill this sheep, or pray over a goat and send it into the wilderness, or whatever.
Though it doesn't help that there seems to be a "one punishment fits all" for every crime from looking at someone lustfully to genocide and enslavement.
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RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 9, 2018 at 10:15 am
How about a related technique:
At some level leaders of a particular denomination, church, sect or schism realize they are not evincing due diligence in observing most Biblical prohibitions and so they rationalize they can be 'hyper' vigilant regarding a specific sin and maybe gaslight God a bit into thinking they are doing better than they really are.
The classic example for me being the Methodists holding tough on gambling while turning a blind eye to divorce/remarriage, linsey woolsie clothing, eschewing serpent handling and so very, very many others . . .
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RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 9, 2018 at 1:39 pm
Substitutionary atonement is just another in the long litany of immoral concepts in the Christian religion.
Even if it were somehow true, I would want no part of it. I believe I am too moral.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 9, 2018 at 1:48 pm
But if you have some credit card debt, and I, out of kindness, pay it off for you. That seems pretty straightforward.
Would that also be considered the atonement thingy?
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RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 9, 2018 at 2:45 pm
The world needs more yummy yummy sin eaters.
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RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 9, 2018 at 3:08 pm
Quote:Who the fuck comes up with this shite!
Primitive fuckwitted barbarians.
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RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 9, 2018 at 3:21 pm
Sins (if victimless)are the most interesting things about people. Why the fuck would you want to wash them away?
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RE: Substitutionary Atonement! WTF?
June 9, 2018 at 3:28 pm
(June 9, 2018 at 3:21 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Sins (if victimless)are the most interesting things about people. Why the fuck would you want to wash them away?
People don't like when things are different. Most of us want to be around people who think and act like we do, so when someone is "weird", we push them away. Or browbeat them until they conform.
It's kind of odd how we like to balance the ideas of being as free as we can, but also expect people to go with the grain.
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