You're a theist against immigration?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The only people Yeshua (Jesus) gave a fig about were the Israelites.  He never interacted with the Gentiles and he told his dummies to stay away from them.  He didn't say one word about any Gentiles getting into his kingdom of God.  Jesus was a bigot.

Actually Jesus didn't seem to like fig trees all that much so I could hardly see Him giving figs... ok, I'm sorry, that was terrible. I shall smack myself for that horrid attempt at humor.

That's an interesting theory accumulated from textual criticism I'm sure, but it is speculative. When it comes to the whole historical Jesus search, there are a lot of really interesting ideas and theories, but at the end of the day they are speculative.

Some say He only cared about Israel, others disagree. Some say He may have been an Essene, others say He was a Pharisee (who didn't play nice with the rest). Some say He was a miracle worker like the witch doctors of the time, others say He was purely an apocalyptic preacher who thought the end was nigh. All very interesting ideas, but all speculative.

I beleive He cared for more than just Israel. Otherwise why would He use the parable of the Good Samaritan?

Jesus was accused of being a Samaritan himself.  He ignored the accusation.  He certainly acted like one although he followed the Pharisee beliefs.

[The Grand Nudger]

I beleive He cared for more than just Israel. Otherwise why would He use the parable of the Good Samaritan?

IDK, he called some random lady a mutt bitch for having been born of the wrong tribe.  She ended up debasing herself sufficiently, in the end, so that he could snap his fingers and cure whatever ailment he;d inflicted on her daughter.

Swell guy, that jesus fella.

The samaritan parable was implicitly bigoted- people we;re supposed to be ashamed that some piece of shit samaritan trash had one upped a levite and a priest at the piety game. I;m legitimately surprised that you;d pick that specific narrative.

[JairCrawford]

I beleive He cared for more than just Israel. Otherwise why would He use the parable of the Good Samaritan?

IDK, he called some random lady a mutt bitch for having been born of the wrong tribe.  She ended up debasing herself sufficiently, in the end, so that he could snap his fingers and cure whatever ailment he;d inflicted on her daughter.

Swell guy, that jesus fella.

The samaritan parable was implicitly bigoted- people we;re supposed to be ashamed that some piece of shit samaritan trash had one upped a levite and a priest at the piety game. I;m legitimately surprised that you;d pick that specific narrative.

I haven't really done that deep of a word study on that particular incident with that woman so I'll have to get back to you on that later. However I will contest on your 'inflicted' comment. There is absolutely nothing in that passage, nor in any of the four gospels for that matter, that suggest that Jesus ever inflicted diseases on anybody. He was only ever depicted healing. (In fact I'm almost certain the only curse He ever cast was on a fig tree, and that was just to teach His disciples a lesson.)

As for the whole Samaritan parable, He used examples like that all the time. He was living in a very bigoted society so He would use examples from the society to teach, and challenge people's faith in spite of society. He was actually making the Samaritan man look good, while talking to a people who hated Samaritans. That was a bold move.

Another example is one of the accounts of His healing a blind man. In that society if someone was born blind, it was believed they were under a generational curse, so people though them to be unclean. So people would spit at them. And what does Jesus do when He runs into a man born blind? He spits on the ground. Then stirs up the dirt to make clay and puts it over the mans eyes then instructs the man to go wash it off. He tested people's faith like this all the time. The scripture goes on to say that the blind man had faith and followed through with what he was told and then he could see.

I don't see this as bigotry at all. Rather, Jesus was challenging and in fact spiting the culture around Him all while healing and challenging people's faith. The Pharisees absolutely despised this. There was no such Jewish law as to spit on the ground and put wet mud on a persons eyes to heal. They associated that type of stuff with witch doctors back in those days, and therefore probably added it to a list of reasons to call Him a heretic. And that of course would parallel the accusation against Him 'using the power of beelzebub' in another setting.

Jesus was very bold and peculiar. But a bigot? Again, that is speculative.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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IDK, he called some random lady a mutt bitch for having been born of the wrong tribe.  She ended up debasing herself sufficiently, in the end, so that he could snap his fingers and cure whatever ailment he;d inflicted on her daughter.

Swell guy, that jesus fella.

The samaritan parable was implicitly bigoted- people we;re supposed to be ashamed that some piece of shit samaritan trash had one upped a levite and a priest at the piety game.  I;m legitimately surprised that you;d pick that specific narrative.

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I haven't really done that deep of a word study on that particular incident with that woman so I'll have to get back to you on that later. However I will contest on your 'inflicted' comment. There is absolutely nothing in that passage, nor in any of the four gospels for that matter, that suggest that Jesus ever inflicted diseases on anybody. He was only ever depicted healing. (In fact I'm almost certain the only curse He ever cast was on a fig tree, and that was just to teach His disciples a lesson.)

As for the whole Samaritan parable, He used examples like that all the time. He was living in a very bigoted society so He would use examples from the society to teach, and challenge people's faith in spite of society. He was actually making the Samaritan man look good, while talking to a people who hated Samaritans. That was a bold move.

Another example is one of the accounts of His healing a blind man. In that society if someone was born blind, it was believed they were under a generational curse, so people though them to be unclean. So people would spit at them. And what does Jesus do when He runs into a man born blind? He spits on the ground. Then stirs up the dirt to make clay and puts it over the mans eyes then instructs the man to go wash it off. He tested people's faith like this all the time. The scripture goes on to say that the blind man had faith and followed through with what he was told and then he could see.

I don't see this as bigotry at all. Rather, Jesus was challenging and in fact spiting the culture around Him all while healing and challenging people's faith. The Pharisees absolutely despised this. There was no such Jewish law as to spit on the ground and put wet mud on a persons eyes to heal. They associated that type of stuff with witch doctors back in those days, and therefore probably added it to a list of reasons to call Him a heretic. And that of course would parallel the accusation against Him 'using the power of beelzebub' in another setting.

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Jesus was very bold and peculiar. But a bigot? Again, that is speculative.

The Jesus character was a bigot through and through.  He called Gentiles swine and dogs.  He spoke in parables so that outsiders wouldn't know what he was talking about.  He told his dummies to stay away from the Samaritans and Gentiles.  He said that he was only concerned with the Israelites.  He told his Apostles that they would sit on thrones and each one would judge one of the twelve tribes of Israel.  He never said one word about  Gentiles getting into his delusion.

[The Grand Nudger]

I haven't really done that deep of a word study on that particular incident with that woman so I'll have to get back to you on that later. However I will contest on your 'inflicted' comment. There is absolutely nothing in that passage, nor in any of the four gospels for that matter, that suggest that Jesus ever inflicted diseases on anybody. He was only ever depicted healing. (In fact I'm almost certain the only curse He ever cast was on a fig tree, and that was just to teach His disciples a lesson.)

Just running with the whole god incarnate song and dance.  

As for the whole Samaritan parable, He used examples like that all the time. He was living in a very bigoted society so He would use examples from the society to teach, and challenge people's faith in spite of society. He was actually making the Samaritan man look good, while talking to a people who hated Samaritans. That was a bold move.

Right, like those times when my grandfather used to point somebody out and say "See..that nigger can do it, whats wrong with you?"  

Jesus was very bold and peculiar. But a bigot? Again, that is speculative.

The character of jesus espouses the bigotries common to the time as a product of it;s time. Don;t get me wrong, I like the buddy jesus reimagining much better...but magic book is what it is.

[Drich]

So... all you Old testament Jews who hate foreigners straighten up and don't forget how the egyptians treated you...

...oh, wait that's right all the OT jews are dead, so what does the law say pertaining to ILLEGAL Immigrants and Christianity???

Not immigrants as we are still supposedto treat them as we would any brother or lost brother.. but Illegal immigrants are subject to the laws of the country we live in. God gives no special dispensation for those who break the law and sneak ito other countries.

Submission to the Authorities
13 Let every person pbe subject to the governing authorities. For qthere is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you rwill receive his approval, 4 for she is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, tan avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also ufor the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

They want to be treated like equals... get in f-ing line like everyone ELSE had too!!! So say 1st generation born american. We make no qualms kicking out own family out when they stay too long. they want to come over then let them go through the correct process.

[JairCrawford]

So... all you Old testament Jews who hate foreigners straighten up and don't forget how the egyptians treated you...

...oh, wait that's right all the OT jews are dead, so what does the law say pertaining to ILLEGAL Immigrants and Christianity???

Not immigrants as we are still supposedto treat them as we would any brother or lost brother.. but Illegal immigrants are subject to the laws of the country we live in. God gives no special dispensation for those who break the law and sneak ito other countries.

Submission to the Authorities
13 Let every person pbe subject to the governing authorities. For qthere is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you rwill receive his approval, 4 for she is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, tan avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also ufor the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

They want to be treated like equals... get in f-ing line like everyone ELSE had too!!! So say 1st generation born american. We make no qualms kicking out own family out when they stay too long. they want to come over then let them go through the correct process.

That passage simply acknowledges that we, as humans, need authority in our lives, lest we dive into a chaotic society. Of course this would be by Gods design.

This does NOT mean we are required to agree with every decision our president makes, nor does it mean that we should condone the current treatment of the people crossing the border who are seeking asylum.

You are taking this text out of context here.

[Drich]

So... all you Old testament Jews who hate foreigners straighten up and don't forget how the egyptians treated you...

...oh, wait that's right all the OT jews are dead, so what does the law say pertaining to ILLEGAL Immigrants and Christianity???

Not immigrants as we are still supposedto treat them as we would any brother or lost brother.. but Illegal immigrants are subject to the laws of the country we live in. God gives no special dispensation for those who break the law and sneak ito other countries.

Submission to the Authorities
13 Let every person pbe subject to the governing authorities. For qthere is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you rwill receive his approval, 4 for she is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, tan avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also ufor the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.

They want to be treated like equals... get in f-ing line like everyone ELSE had too!!! So say 1st generation born american. We make no qualms kicking out own family out when they stay too long. they want to come over then let them go through the correct process.

That passage simply acknowledges that we, as humans, need authority in our lives, lest we dive into a chaotic society. Of course this would be by Gods design.

This does NOT mean we are required to agree with every decision our president makes, nor does it mean that we should condone the current treatment of the people crossing the border who are seeking asylum.

You are taking this text out of context here.

I copied and pasted the first 1/3 of the chapter... the rest of it does not change this first 1/3 sport... hence NOTHING is out of context. Like it or not this was a tough pill for me to swallow when obama was in office now it is simply your turn to take your medicine for society's sake. what's more better find a flavor you like because you got 6 more years of this medicine to take.

[CapnAwesome]

We have laws in this country on immigration and as long as people observe then they are fine, but for those who come in illegally the have committed a crime and should be sent back to where they came from. Laws were made to keep and hold order for society and if people break them and are not punished then why have any law.

GC

The immigration laws are shit and should be changed. Jesus broke the laws of his society. Was he not just in doing so?

[JairCrawford]

That passage simply acknowledges that we, as humans, need authority in our lives, lest we dive into a chaotic society. Of course this would be by Gods design.

This does NOT mean we are required to agree with every decision our president makes, nor does it mean that we should condone the current treatment of the people crossing the border who are seeking asylum.

You are taking this text out of context here.

I copied and pasted the first 1/3 of the chapter... the rest of it does not change this first 1/3 sport... hence NOTHING is out of context. Like it or not this was a tough pill for me to swallow when obama was in office now it is simply your turn to take your medicine for society's sake. what's more better find a flavor you like because you got 6 more years of this medicine to take.

What this means is, it would be inappropriate and un-Christian of me were I to take a pitchfork and light it and charge with a large riot and battering ram against the doors of the White House in an attempt to usurp Trump. That is bad because God does not want us to resort to violence against authority, because as a society we need authority to keep us in line.

There is a vast difference between that ^ above, and personally disagreeing with what our current president is doing. There is no admonition against disagreement, only rebellion, and in the context of said rebellion causing more harm than good.