Extremists: a question and a talk

[robvalue]

If you support the notion that the Quran is "the word of God", you can't also expect people to accept your personal interpretation of it. It's a dangerous idea in the first place, for exactly this kind of reason.

The fact that the book even needs apologetics shows it has failed.

[SaStrike]

If you ever took a close look to the Muslim society, Muslims are categorized into three factions:

1-Self haters
2-Extremists
3-True believers

When you yourself look into it, you come up with three factions. Another person looking will conclude something differently and so on. The thing is, to the person who is inventing these labels, they themself will always be the "true believer" category.

For example if I were to ask another muslim, you'd fall into the category "rejector of hadith and therefore not related to islam but more quranism" and they'd be "true believer" (just an example).

[Fake Messiah]

In 15 Islamic states they kill gays and they're not even extremists but just regular Muslims obedient to Koran.



And yet some bozo on the net is still convinced Koran is all about 'love and tolerance'. Talk about charging against the windmills.

[ReptilianPeon]

Allah need to send an angel to Earth to give us a Tafsir from Allah. That way all disagreement about the Quran will end. Allah should explain what the Iyah of the Quran mean and a lot of problems will be solved. e.g. Sunni VS Shia.

[Mystic]

Allah need to send an angel to Earth to give us a Tafsir from Allah. That way all disagreement about the Quran will end. Allah should explain what the Iyah of the Quran mean and a lot of problems will be solved. e.g. Sunni VS Shia.

The Quran of Ali had the following:

Commentary from God and Gabriel.

Commentary from the Prophet.

The order of which verses were revealed.


The first two rulers not only didn't take the offer when he offered them that book to spread to all Muslims, they forbid people to write hadiths, and not only that, but burned hadiths all in supposedly in spirit of preserving Quran almost as if God didn't promise to preserve it.

[WinterHold]

But if they are true believers then they must not be extremists necessarily? Are you suggesting that violence is normal? If so, then wouldn't the extremists be the peaceful ones, like Atlas actually. I'm a bit confused.

The people are confusing, the phenomenon isn;t.  Extremists live at the fringe of [whatever they think magic book is saying to them.  

-but yeah..violence is normal for human beings, in many ways, many forms.  Never make the mistake of thinking that you have a "peaceful" true believer...... of -anything-....... on your hands.  You just haven;t crossed their lines yet, or they haven;t.

You can see his trapdoor already.  "Deter aggression".  We here in the land of the great satan call that a preemptive strike.  A longer view of history and human behavior calls it pretext.

Muslims are normal people. And global Jihad was mainly invented after the disgusting foreign policy of the USA.

[Jackie]

[robvalue]

Getting your directions and morality from a book/authority is just flawed whatever way you look at it, in my opinion.

If you just do whatever you're told regardless, you're amoral at best, and prepared to carry out acts you consider horrible at worst.

If you would only do what you'd do anyway, or stop following it if it disagrees with you too much, then you're just projecting your own morality onto the book. You might as well not bother.

[The Grand Nudger]

The people are confusing, the phenomenon isn;t.  Extremists live at the fringe of [whatever they think magic book is saying to them.  

-but yeah..violence is normal for human beings, in many ways, many forms.  Never make the mistake of thinking that you have a "peaceful" true believer...... of -anything-....... on your hands.  You just haven;t crossed their lines yet, or they haven;t.

You can see his trapdoor already.  "Deter aggression".  We here in the land of the great satan call that a preemptive strike.  A longer view of history and human behavior calls it pretext.

Muslims are normal people. And global Jihad was mainly invented after the disgusting foreign policy of the USA.

I;m fairly certain that the great satan wouldn;t exist for another 1k years when the first global jihad went down.....but you do you. I keep reminding you that we;ve been constant friends to muslims (especially extremists, lol!)..since our inception. Unless, ofc, the disgusting foreign policy you;re talking about amounts to "teh joos are coming teh joos are coming!". Don;t know what to tell you on that count, we have alot of friends. We can;t spend all of our time blowing you to the exclusion of all others.

Obvs muslims are normal people, though, lol. Which is why the notion of a peaceful true believer winds up being a common contradiction of terms. It doesn;t matter whether it;s a religion or a political ideology....or a political ideology that just so happens to be a religion...or a simple hatred of some demonized Other™.

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Getting your directions and morality from a book/authority is just flawed whatever way you look at it, in my opinion.

If you just do whatever you're told regardless, you're amoral at best, and prepared to carry out acts you consider horrible at worst.

If you would only do what you'd do anyway, or stop following it if it disagrees with you too much, then you're just projecting your own morality onto the book. You might as well not bother.

If a person gets their morality from a magic book they have no moral agency.

If a person projects their moral agency onto a magic book they;ve lent the magic book their morality.

Magic books are useless at best, disastrous at worst.

[ReptilianPeon]

Allah need to send an angel to Earth to give us a Tafsir from Allah. That way all disagreement about the Quran will end. Allah should explain what the Iyah of the Quran mean and a lot of problems will be solved. e.g. Sunni VS Shia.

The Quran of Ali had the following:

Commentary from God and Gabriel.

Commentary from the Prophet.

The order of which verses were revealed.


The first two rulers not only didn't take the offer when he offered them that book to spread to all Muslims, they forbid people to write hadiths, and not only that, but burned hadiths all in supposedly in spirit of preserving Quran almost as if God didn't promise to preserve it.

Ali had a different Quran to everyone else? I am reading that correctly? If Ali's Quran was different (and better, as you appear to claim) does that mean we are using the wrong Qurans today? I am very confused.