Genesis interpretations - how many are there?

[Angrboda]

I wonder why modern Christians think God made the universe out of nothing when in the account he creates a space within the primordial waters of chaos for the earth to exist in, and creates a firmament to keep the water out (except for as much rain as God desires). Far below the foundations of the earth was the 'great deep', from which the waters needed for a global flood could be tapped, and to which they could go when it was time for the flood to subside. No more origin is given for the waters than for God, God doesn't create the waters in the account, his spirit moves over them to separate them. Just sayin'.

Yes, the word you translated as "move" means to incubate. "His spirit(breath)" is global warming! Yet, that word is not in question. Because, the previous understanding of science did not include a "Snowball" earth! That one time pseudo science is now a broadly accepted proven reality! Yet, how can anything live in a "snowball' environment?! The answer is no, nothing could live. Yet, we do right! It's a God thing! You theological atheists can just shut the hell up! All theologians can bite me! Neither have any authority, nor ability to claim that "Snowball Earth" never happened. 

Then, evolution is pre "snowball" only! I will never deny that! There is absativally no evidence of evolution after "snowball"! NOT ONE! Micro only! Just sayin!

[JairCrawford]

The problem with you and FM is that you cherry pick what you want instead of trying to understand what the Bible is really saying. God promises to create another heaven and earth after the sin struck one is destroyed.

GC

Really Dude? Where in the Hebrew and Greek did God ever "create" anything? All the original verbs have to do with making(John 1), forming(asah: Adam), building(banah: Eve)! And God did NOT create from ex nilio! Because there is no such thing as "nothing". Just ask Nicola Tesla!

Both Peter and Paul, on the same subject, are explaining to you that heaven(ouranos sky: up) and land(gE: down), authority structures, will all fall like dominos. Therefore, Peter asks us all, "what manner of man should we be?"

Why in hell would he ask that if there is going to be a "new" heaven and a "new" earth? ouranos sky, heaven: up authority. It is NOT all God in "Heaven":

“From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven ]suffers violence, and violent men ]take it by force. Matthew 11:12 NASB.

The Greek word basileia, translated "kingdom", means rulership and not realm; it means dominion not domain; it means king not kingdom.


Dude! It's just up and down! Am I making this too difficult for you?

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You can argue that point with much of the Old Testament. I even did so in my amateur attempt to translate Genesis 1-11.

"The breath-wind of Elohim fluttered [softly] upon the waters of [chaos,] the deep [abyss]."

But when you get to the New Testament, translating every instance of the word spirit into breath-wind makes absolutely no sense.

"But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Breath-Wind is not forgiven and guilty of an eternal sin."

See what I mean? What even pre-Aristotle influenced Jewish belief would such a statement represent? I don't know of any.

Cool Dude! 

You quoted Mark 3:29--badly!

Hyper-Literal: yet he-who whensoever shall speak evil into the pneuma-breath, namely--thee pure-one, not he-is-having pardon(release from bondage) unto thee breath-being(aiOn), rather liable he-is(right here, right now) of-breath-being-belonging-to-her(aiOnios) judgment(feminine)"--because they-had-spoken-out, "pneuma-breath unclean He(Jesus)-is-having ." Mark 3:29-30 NASB

We also have a similar passage in Matthew and Luke.

Get this crap from "hamartiology"(a vastly stupid subject)!

Eternal [b]sins[/b] or unforgivable sins or unpardonable sins are part of Christian hamartiology, which is the Christian theology of sins. These are sins which will not be forgiven by God whereby salvation becomes impossible.

Yet, all those words, "spirit(spiritus: breath)", "sin(sinistra: left hand)" "Salvation"(salvationem from the verb salvi: to rescue) are all Latin words completely masking the Greek words pneuma: breathing intellect and/or life from an exterior source; hamartia(miss, amiss, off-course, wayward); sOtEria(deliver, rescue, save from harm, rescue, made whole, kept safe and sound).


We must come to understand pneuma, hamartia and sOtEria. Spirit, sin and salvation are a complete WASTE of our time and cause nothing but endless arguments!

And by the way, "blasphemy" is an English word transliterated from the Greek blasphEmia. That's right, you guessed it! Yet another untranslated biblical word! blasphEmia means: slander. Not what any idiot invents it to mean.


You see friend: Jesus said that HIS words(pneuma), which He had spoken to them, was not open to being slandered and that there would be no release from that dept incurred by them in any aiOn(breath-being: unspecified length of time). The people there involved with the blasphEmia against Jesus' words had to pay a price in full while they lived.


Remember this always, God's payback is a bitch!


Men do not despise a thief if he steals To satisfy himself when he is hungry; But when he is found, he must repay sevenfold; He must give all the substance(wealth--which he should have used to buy food) of his house. Prov 6:30-31 NASB

The style of grammar and language in the gospels and the NT is usually pretty straightforward and to the point. This rendering is almost incomprehensible and I would presume the writer would simply record Jesus saying "Whoever slanders my words..." instead of "Whoever slanders the breath-wind..." if this is really what He was saying.

[Minimalist]

The style of grammar and language in the gospels and the NT is usually pretty straightforward and to the point.

Not when it embarrasses xhristards.  Then they start trying to pretend that it means everything other than what it says.  We're onto their tricks.  G-C is famous for it.

[Godscreated]

The problem with you and FM is that you cherry pick what you want instead of trying to understand what the Bible is really saying. God promises to create another heaven and earth after the sin struck one is destroyed.

GC

Really Dude? Where in the Hebrew and Greek did God ever "create" anything? All the original verbs have to do with making(John 1), forming(asah: Adam), building(banah: Eve)! And God did NOT create from ex nilio! Because there is no such thing as "nothing". Just ask Nicola Tesla!

Both Peter and Paul, on the same subject, are explaining to you that heaven(ouranos sky: up) and land(gE: down), authority structures, will all fall like dominos. Therefore, Peter asks us all, "what manner of man should we be?"

Why in hell would he ask that if there is going to be a "new" heaven and a "new" earth? ouranos sky, heaven: up authority. It is NOT all God in "Heaven":

“From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven ]suffers violence, and violent men ]take it by force. Matthew 11:12 NASB.

The Greek word basileia, translated "kingdom", means rulership and not realm; it means dominion not domain; it means king not kingdom.


Dude! It's just up and down! Am I making this too difficult for you?

 First I would rather have God's word on the subject as fallible men. Just where in the scriptures does it say that sin is passed own to a child through sex, answer that one for me if you dare.  
 You seem to be making this far more difficult for yourself than me, Peter and Paul were asking what kind of man would we need to be to be accepted into the kingdom. The men God makes us through Jesus Christ. The kingdom is the Christian church ie. believers in Jesus Christ and before his birth John was a believer. Scriptures were never meant to be difficult, Jesus himself said He came for the poor, the down trodden, the lowly, the troubled and the weak. These are all people who would not have a great understanding of the old Hebrew and Greek. The scriptures were translated to read as they are for the most part, so that those who could not understand a complicated read could understand what scripture was saying.
GC
GC

[Haipule]

Thats a novel post ice-age interpretation, however, wrong on all relevant counts.  Genesis is still not literal.  Evolution has effected life since the very first instance of replication, and continues to do so.

Just quit telling me that cats turn into the Monkees rock band: given enough time. That only occurs on Red Dwarf(hilarious English sitcom)! Genesis will always be literal because God NEVER required your edumacation nor, anyone else's! Of course, there is more then one ice-age. How many times was the earth destroyed before God asah(Hebrew: formed like clay) Adam and banah(Hebrew: built--can you imagine her hand-crafted beauty?) Eve?

Well, at least I'm no YEC!

The problem with your evolution is the continued destruction of earth up to, and including the last "Snowball". The continued, over and over again destruction(the last snowball was utter and complete destruction of life) don't give enough time for evolutionary magic tricks! Nothing but restarts have occurred and geologically proven! Since Adam and Eve: no more restarts! Destruction yes(the flood of Noah)! But, zero restarts!

The super herding animal that mated with a superfish had already occurred by the time of Adam and Eve! We call them "Dolphins"! I recently read a book on dolphins. I was so disappointed: not a single recipe! Ok, I'll stop now.

[The Grand Nudger]

Thats a novel post ice-age interpretation, however, wrong on all relevant counts.  Genesis is still not literal.  Evolution has effected life since the very first instance of replication, and continues to do so.

Just quit telling me that cats turn into the Monkees rock band: given enough time. That only occurs on Red Dwarf(hilarious English sitcom)!

Who tells you that?

Genesis will always be literal because God NEVER required your edumacation nor, anyone else's! Of course, there is more then one ice-age. How many times was the earth destroyed before God asah(Hebrew: formed like clay) Adam and banah(Hebrew: built--can you imagine her hand-crafted beauty?) Eve?

Well, at least I'm no YEC!

An academic difference, you;re no less of a loon than a YEC-er and for all of the same reasons.  

The problem with your evolution is the continued destruction of earth up to, and including the last "Snowball". The continued, over and over again destruction(the last snowball was utter and complete destruction of life) don't give enough time for evolutionary magic tricks! Nothing but restarts have occurred and geologically proven! Since Adam and Eve: no more restarts! Destruction yes(the flood of Noah)! But, zero restarts!

The super herding animal that mated with a superfish had already occurred by the time of Adam and Eve! We call them "Dolphins"! I recently read a book on dolphins. I was so disappointed: not a single recipe! Ok, I'll stop now.

The trouble with a POE, is that you can;t tell whether or not they really believe the silly shit they say.

Taking it at face value, if I was under the impression that evolutionary biology contended that cats would "turn into" The Monkees.......and a herding mammal mated with a superfish to produce dolphins...then I would be highly skeptical.

[Crossless2.0]

The trouble with a POE, is that you can;t tell whether or not they really believe the silly shit they say.

Taking it at face value, if I was under the impression that evolutionary biology contended that cats would "turn into" The Monkees.......and a herding mammal mated with a superfish to produce dolphins...then I would be highly skeptical.

I'm going with "amusing himself when he's not surfing" as the most likely explanation for this.

I hope so, anyway.

[donlor]

Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
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[Anomalocaris]

Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
I would answer all the drivel on this board -  Genesis interpretations - how many are there? But it is closed
so my new board     Genesis deniers - how many varieties of fools - give me your best

Far more than the total number of brain cells creationists have to share amongst them.

[donlor]

Genesis interpretations - how many are there?
I would answer all the drivel on this board -  Genesis interpretations - how many are there? But it is closed
so my new board     Genesis deniers - how many varieties of fools - give me your best

Far more than the total number of brain cells creationists have to share amongst them.

funny - i think - why do i say i think - because i have heard & read so much stupidity