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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 17, 2018 at 8:55 am
(July 16, 2018 at 6:47 pm)Astreja Wrote: (July 16, 2018 at 3:14 pm)SteveII Wrote: You have said that the belief is hateful, but you just admitted that it is not.
Stop prooftexting me. Not all Christians see homosexuality as sinful, and as anyone can tell if they read the your link, I specifically referenced the "homosexuality is sinful" belief. It is not universal in Christianity.
How do you suppose your LGBT friends would feel if they knew how you felt about gay marriage? If they don't know now, I think they should find out so that they can make an informed choice about whether or not to continue the friendship.
AND my point is: for the vast amount of Christians who do think it is a sin, you would not know the difference. You truly would not. Think about it. What is the difference between you and a heterosexual non-christian in the eyes of a Christian? Nothing. It has NOTHING to do with what particular sin a person is involved in. In our worldview, you both need God equally. It makes no sense whatsoever to call a non-christian out because of a particular sin.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 17, 2018 at 8:58 am
Quote:AND my point is: for the vast amount of Christians who do think it is a sin, you would not know the difference. You truly would not. Think about it. What is the difference between you and a heterosexual non-christian in the eyes of a Christian? Nothing. It has NOTHING to do with what particular sin a person is involved in. In our worldview, you both need God equally. It makes no sense whatsoever to call a non-christian out because of a particular sin
Wow going over shit already been covered seriously stop digging the deeper fool
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 17, 2018 at 8:58 am
(July 16, 2018 at 10:14 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: (July 16, 2018 at 3:52 pm)SteveII Wrote: Oh, so pretend that the word was not redefined. Okay, I'll try that.
Funny how you're not squawking about how secular governments changed the definition of marriage when they started allowing judges not ordained by any church to perform them.
You claim you're fine with civil unions. But, the only way to be fair about civil unions is to make them the only legally binding agreement. That means your local shaman would no longer have the power to grant a legally binding agreement between "one man and one woman." You down with that Stevie? Or, are you going to ignore me again?
What are you rambling about? Marriage IS NOT a religious concept. That is terribly evident by 10,000+ years of history and billion upon billions of marriages across all times and all cultures. You are erecting straw men.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 17, 2018 at 9:06 am
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Anyone wanna remind me how the fuck many wives King Solomon had?
Christians don't get to bitch about redefining marriage from "one man and one woman" when their mythical figures didn't stick to that themselves. They can just go fuck themselves. Probably the only person who'd be willing to fuck them, which is why they're so upset with gay people. Because gay people are having good sex, while they can't get any because they're fucking incels.
"Tradition" is just a word people use to make themselves feel better about being an asshole.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 17, 2018 at 9:06 am
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(July 17, 2018 at 8:55 am)SteveII Wrote: What is the difference between you and a heterosexual non-christian in the eyes of a Christian? Nothing. It has NOTHING to do with what particular sin a person is involved in. In our worldview, you both need God equally. It makes no sense whatsoever to call a non-christian out because of a particular sin.
The difference is that I deserve basic human rights and equal protection under law, in the eyes of many christians...whereas a homosexual does not.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 17, 2018 at 9:15 am
(July 17, 2018 at 5:37 am)robvalue Wrote: Its a legal contract between two people. The genders/sexes of those two people have no effect on the contract. It's really sad to watch bigots pretend they have some genuine reason to protest.
Dropping the redundant restriction also stops any concern about transgender or intersex people marrying. It's two adults, making an agreement between themselves. It doesn't involve anyone else, so I find it bizarre anyone else thinks they should get a say.
I also want to note that any religious ceremony surrounding a marriage is just that. It doesn't create a marriage in the eyes of the law. A further secular legal document is required for that. If a religious person really did only care about being married "in the eyes of God", then they'd have no need for that secular document.
Believing that marriage is a legal contract is foolish simplistic nonsense. It is an institution that is and has been foundational to human flourishing longer than history. The institution contains the concept of commitments, bonds, emotions, sex, family, children, extended family bonds, economics, and a host of other small nuances.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 17, 2018 at 9:16 am
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Sounds like the kind of thing we;d want all people to have access to.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 17, 2018 at 9:18 am
(July 17, 2018 at 9:16 am)Khemikal Wrote: Sounds like the kind of thing we;d want all people to have access to.
Maybe if you're a decent human being.
But if you're a Christian, the last thing you want is equal rights for anyone that's not also Christian.
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 17, 2018 at 9:20 am
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RE: "Jesus would rather kill, not marry, gay people" - Franklin Graham
July 17, 2018 at 9:25 am
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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