Florida Stand Your Ground Shooting

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Has anyone compared the wording of the two state's laws?

[RoadRunner79]

Has anyone compared the wording of the two state's laws?

That would seem to be necessary to make the implication in the OP.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Has anyone compared the wording of the two state's laws?

That would seem to be necessary to make the implication in the OP.

Is that a "yes"?

[Rev. Rye]

That would seem to be necessary to make the implication in the OP.

Is that a "yes"?

You’d think so, but the sad thing is that given the racially (and by extension, emotionally) charged nature of the situation, and the known fact that the laws in question tend to be enforced along racial lines, it’s plausible enough that someone jumped the gun. There could be differences in the wording of the law, and differences in the crucial minutiae of the situation that made the circumstances less extenuating. I legitimately don’t know at this point, and I currently don’t have time to pore through the wordings of the laws or the details of the Alabama case. At this point, however, I am left to assume that these are two cases that seem like legitimate cases of self defense (even it’s more morally grey in the OPs case, as I Went over earlier in the thread) and the black woman was sent to jail and the white guy won’t even be prosecuted.

I highly doubt that there’s a clause in the Alabama law that says “if a Nigger does it, ignore everything else in this law,” but there is clearly a blatant racial disparity in the enforcement of this law, unless black people, who still have a disproportionately large number of poor people living a hardscrabble existence, especially in the old South, are somehow less likely to be in situations that could turn deadly.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I'm just wondering if the wording of the laws in the two states is different enough for the disparate results to be the result of the laws rather than unequal application.

[CapnAwesome]

SMDH, the stand your ground law is retarded.

I do believe such a law can, in fact, be defensible (like, say, if someone is being mugged, and if it turns out the victim is actually packing heat and the perp isn't deterred by the threat of someone potentially killing him.) That said, I believe if you have this law, you REALLY need to be strict about the application.

With regards to this case, shooting a guy who has just shoved you to the ground seems like a pretty good case of self-defense. The shooter may be an argumentative SOB who was looking for an argument over a handicapped space, but the victim's response was way over the line, and his response to this would seem to be legitimate.

Sometimes, both sides in a given conflict are gaping assholes (hassling someone over a handicapped space vs. throwing someone to the ground over it), but even in those cases, there's a distinct possibility that someone might actually have some sort of moral high ground, and in this case, as much as I hate to admit it, the ornery sumbitch who shot the guy does, in my opinion. I know race can make relatively innocuous gestures seem threatening, but, really, if, for example, Liam Neeson (white action hero from the whitest country on Earth) threw me to the ground and I was packing heat, I'd fucking pull the trigger.

I'm pretty sure I could beat the shit out of Liam Neeson. He's like, 1000 years old.

[RoadRunner79]

That would seem to be necessary to make the implication in the OP.

Is that a "yes"?

I only checked, that Alabama had a stand your ground law. Although when looking before, it does seem that Florida has been criticized before for their quote liberal interpretation of these types of policies.

[Rev. Rye]

I do believe such a law can, in fact, be defensible (like, say, if someone is being mugged, and if it turns out the victim is actually packing heat and the perp isn't deterred by the threat of someone potentially killing him.) That said, I believe if you have this law, you REALLY need to be strict about the application.

With regards to this case, shooting a guy who has just shoved you to the ground seems like a pretty good case of self-defense. The shooter may be an argumentative SOB who was looking for an argument over a handicapped space, but the victim's response was way over the line, and his response to this would seem to be legitimate.

Sometimes, both sides in a given conflict are gaping assholes (hassling someone over a handicapped space vs. throwing someone to the ground over it), but even in those cases, there's a distinct possibility that someone might actually have some sort of moral high ground, and in this case, as much as I hate to admit it, the ornery sumbitch who shot the guy does, in my opinion. I know race can make relatively innocuous gestures seem threatening, but, really, if, for example, Liam Neeson (white action hero from the whitest country on Earth) threw me to the ground and I was packing heat, I'd fucking pull the trigger.

I'm pretty sure I could beat the shit out of Liam Neeson. He's like, 1000 years old.

I chose him partly because of his badass onscreen persona (I have no idea of his offscreen chops) and partly because he’s not only white, but from the whitest nation on the face of the Earth, which would totally eliminate the point of the “black brute” stereotype so often used to justify the racial profiling that so plagues the criminal justice system.

The Rock is more famously badass, but since he’s half black and half Samoan, that would not have worked for this purpose.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Is that a "yes"?

I only checked, that Alabama had a stand your ground law. Although when looking before, it does seem that Florida has been criticized before for their quote liberal interpretation of these types of policies.

"liberal" would be "loose" in this case, I think.

[CapnAwesome]

I'm pretty sure I could beat the shit out of Liam Neeson. He's like, 1000 years old.

I chose him partly because of his badass onscreen persona (I have no idea of his offscreen chops) and partly because he’s not only white, but from the whitest nation on the face of the Earth, which would totally eliminate the point of the “black brute” stereotype so often used to justify the racial profiling that so plagues the criminal justice system.

The Rock is more famously badass, but since he’s half black and half Samoan, that would not have worked for this purpose.

I could not beat up the rock.

Regarding the law, I think self defense laws are sufficient enough. Just being afraid for your life is a subjective thing. Even if someone was beating the shit out of me, I wouldn't necessarily fear for my life. People just 20 years could get in fights and not assume it's going to be a lethal encounter, also this is how most other cultures view it.

If someone pulls out a gun or knife and waves it at you, that's one thing. It's a whole nother ball of wax when a white guy starts shit with a black guy and then shoots him when he is losing the fight he started.