Peterson's 12 Rules For Life, have you heard of this?

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, lemme cash in some personal cred, lol.  I used to spend hours with him online on voice.  Like...hundreds.....

-don't judge me!-

He believes Peterson's speil, for example...because it validates how he feels. He's not lying for effect. Any discrepency between his version of events and the truth - if there is a discrepency, wouldn't be an intentional lie...and there are assholes in the world who say stupid shit..after all.

[Amarok]

Well, lemme cash in some personal cred, lol.  I used to spend hours with him online on voice.  Like...hundreds.....

-don't judge me!-

He believes Peterson's speil, for example...because it validates how he feels.  He's not lying for effect.  Any discrepency between his version of events and the truth - if there is a discrepency, wouldn't be an intentional lie...and there are assholes in the world who say stupid shit..after all.

That's a currency i accept   

No judgement  

And fair enough i retract my earlier statement .

[bennyboy]

Bennys plenty of things.  I doubt he's a big fat liar.  He strikes me as the kind of guy who would tell the truth even when the truth fucked him, lol.

That said, part of how he views these interactions is almost certainly bound up in the complex he's describing.  He feels victimized..and this is as ironic as the identity politics bit.

So my insecurities cause people to take sick days off and not bring a sick note as per the terms of the contract?  My insecurities cause a teacher to get tilted because other teachers had left books on her desk?  My insecurities made a teacher lie in the health disclosure form required by Korean law?

I'm not projecting onto these situations, though Tiz can certainly choose to  believe I'm lying or embellishing if he wants to.  My insecurities are FROM these kinds of interactions-- because no matter how well I teach, no matter how hard I work or how fairly I try to run my business, I'm always one or two unlucky hiring decisions away from watching it all get shit on because someone thinks they aren't getting enough personal attention.

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Well, lemme cash in some personal cred, lol.  I used to spend hours with him online on voice.  Like...hundreds.....

-don't judge me!-

He believes Peterson's speil, for example...because it validates how he feels.  He's not lying for effect.  Any discrepency between his version of events and the truth - if there is a discrepency, wouldn't be an intentional lie...and there are assholes in the world who say stupid shit..after all.

Psssh.  You threw about 3 games of LOL, blamed me, and then stopped playing just when I was getting really good at the game.

I think I've spoken with you for maybe an hour total.  Typical lefty lies, if you ask me!

[The Grand Nudger]

Your insecurities cause you to see the world as you do, and communicate it here in the manner that you have, and make you an easy mark for people and ideologies like Peterson(s).

Psssh.  You threw about 3 games of LOL, blamed me, and then stopped playing just when I was getting really good at the game.

I think I've spoken with you for maybe an hour total.  Typical lefty lies, if you ask me!

....?  Am I misremembering playing a bunch with you?  Hmn, maybe.  I could have swore that we ground out a shit-ton of randoms together? Way to shoot your own defender in the foot though, lol.

[bennyboy]

....?  Am I misremembering playing a bunch with you?  Hmn, maybe.  I could have swore that we ground out alot of randoms together.

Nah, dude. The reality is we played maybe half a dozen games at most. I had just hit level 30 and was just starting to play PVP, and sucked bad. It might have FELT like a long time, because waiting 20 minutes to FF can feel like a million years!

Maybe you played a string of games with someone else on this thread? If memory serves right, at the time there were 3 or 4 of us who were kind of talking about playing together.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, nobody in this thread.  You and Lilly and Emo were my AF LOLbuddies.  Nevertheless..you seemed like a cool dude. I'm sticking with the non asshole explanation for why you feel the way you do.

waiting 20 minutes to FF can feel like a million years!

Motherfucking time dilation!

[Amarok]

So my insecurities cause people to take sick days off and not bring a sick note as per the terms of the contract?  My insecurities cause a teacher to get tilted because other teachers had left books on her desk?  My insecurities made a teacher lie in the health disclosure form required by Korean law?

I'm not projecting onto these situations, though Tiz can certainly choose to  believe I'm lying or embellishing if he wants to.  My insecurities are FROM these kinds of interactions-- because no matter how well I teach, no matter how hard I work or how fairly I try to run my business, I'm always one or two unlucky hiring decisions away from watching it all get shit on because someone thinks they aren't getting enough personal attention.

Like Khem said  insecurities

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't know what employment law is like there in SE asia..but if it's like that..I'd move back here, where it's not like that and I don't have to worry about that, lol.

I did have a sexual harrassment run-in once. It went nowhere, but not on account of my axing it, I encouraged my employee to talk to whomever she felt she should and pursue it as far as it would go. I could see why she thought she was in a particular situation, even though she wasn't..just as I can understand why Benny thinks he's in a particular situation..even though he probably isn't.

Still hurts that someone might think that about you...but I'm not made of glass, so..meh.

[bennyboy]

Well, nobody in this thread.  You and Lilly and Emo were my AF LOLbuddies.  Nevertheless..you seemed like a cool dude.  I'm sticking with the non asshole explanation for why you feel the way you do.

I've already confessed to being a fuckface asshole, by virtue of being a male human. I'm certainly not a cool dude, or anything like one.

Feelings are mediators of behavior. I'm pretty much saying in this thread that I'm no longer motivated to act on the ideas of identity politics (Peterson's word, but I think it's apt enough), because doing so is not beneficial for me. I've tried hiring minorities preferentially, and had to deal with all that shit I mentioned; now, I will no longer hire minorities preferentially. I've tried showing understanding, and been told (repeatedly in no uncertain terms) that I'm not worthy of that same understanding because of my identity as a White Man™.

One of the essential tenets of a contract is that there must be something in it for both parties, and both parties must be willing participants. Well, the particular flavor of social contract which is currently presented is highly disadvantageous for me. If I act to support minorities, there needs to be some currency in return-- a simple recognition that I'm trying to be a good human being would probably be sufficient. Instead, despite (slightly illegally, probably) specifically choosing minority employees over a couple of years, I ended up dealing with unending grief, complaints, and downright accusations.

My feelings can be discarded, but at this cost: if I feel that I'm giving too much (I do) and receiving to little (I do) in a given relationship, then I'm going to tear up that social contract, and draw my net of consideration only to those who I feel give real value to my life. That means that I will do what's best for me, for my family, for my friends.

Here's a summary of the left position as it appears to me: "Fuck you, asshole. Support us! Treat us well because you SHOULD, because we've dealt with assholes like you all our lives. But don't you dare expect to be treated civilly yourself, because YOU are one of THEM, and that in itself makes you a piece of shit. And furthermore, not only do you have to verbally agree that you're a piece of shit because of who you were born, you'd better fucking BELIEVE it too. And THAT is why you should adopt our world view and act on it."

Not particularly compelling. My current position on this is: I'm going to live my life and try to better it, and foster relationships which I believe will improve my enjoyment of it. I will avoid crazy fucks when I can, and beat them down if I have to. I will try to better my family's position, and support my friends in doing the same. As for everyone else: I will treat you as well as I can until I decide if you're a friend or a crazy fuck. And in the likely case that I decide it's the latter, I reserve the right not to give a shit about anything you say, do, or want.

[Amarok]

Yeah that's a heap of nonsense