"who your Oaths give access over" vs "right hand possess"

[Ravenshire]

[Silver]

[Mr.Obvious]

It's absurd to think you can have sex with a married slave's wife and God would allow that. That's enough Khemikal. You know very well, if you heard nothing but the two verses I talked about from God to humanity and you know it was from God, it should be interpreted this way and not in absurd way that allows sex with wife of another man just because they are both slaves!

That's assuming you can claim to know The mind of god. Do you think that highly of yourself, MK?

[Mystic]

I think you guys agree that God would not command slavery let alone allowing have a sex with a married slave's wife!

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, most of us, considering what a good  god would or wouldn't say..exclude that one..yeah.  Obviously a cuntgod could and would say that shit.

That leaves us with two possibilities, since magic book says it.  Either your god is a cuntgod, or some asshole wrote that shit in.

Like we already agreed...it's ridiculous to believe that the specific contents of magic book in question are divine utterances (again, at least by a good god) - because god wouldn't say that shit......so...

We're left with just the one remaining possibility.

[Mystic]

Or it's misinterpreted in worse way possible because of dark magic, and has nothing to do with words of God which should have been seen in light of other verses!

[The Grand Nudger]

Like I said, I applaud the impulse to edit magic book so that it stops saying things that would only seem decent to some terrible 6th century slaving warlord, lol?

Here, you can borrow my marker.  Cross out all the nasty shit!

[Mystic]

Muta was said by hadiths from Imam Jaffar for example, that it was neither nikah (marriage) nor Zina (fornication).

It was a category on it's own. The only thing that made this hard to read and perceive, was that malakat aymanihim was seen as slavery rather then "who your oath's give right to".

There are verses however that forbid slavery. There is also that it's written in a way, if misinterpreted as slavery, we would have to believe we can have sex with a slave's wife while he is married to her!

That is the worse degree of evil. Poor man and woman are married while slaves, and the owner can have sex with the woman as he pleases????

Come on bro.... People believe that shit only cause the rulers wanted slaves!

[The Grand Nudger]

You mean, magic book presents a mixed message?  Gee...you don't say.  Either god couldn't get his own shit straight...or a bunch of assholes and other people who weren't as big of an asshole wrote shit in.......

Yes, "c'mon bro"............... engage your brain, if god gave it to you..he probably intended for you to use it now and again.

[Mystic]

You mean, magic book presents a mixed message?  Gee...you don't say.  Either god couldn't get his own shit straight...or a bunch of assholes and other people who weren't as big of an asshole wrote shit in.......

The Quran is written in a way, that allows it to be a healing, guidance, and mercy to believers, while increasing the unjust in only in perdition.

That it's been written in a way, that allows misguidance when a person follows what is unclear from it rather then reflecting and seeing bright signs and clarifications from these reflections.

The darkness of Quran can only be illuminated through itself, through Quran itself, but hadiths help steer us to reflect and support our case after we gained those reflections.

The Sunnah is the explanation of Quran but a lot of evil has been attributed to that.

Quran interprets itself and leaves none of it's own verses without an explanation. This includes acronyms like "Alif Lam Meem".

And in fact, if it was written by humans, it would not have this trial, that it's own words - there is a trial in it (3:7).