Government shutdown impacting you yet?

[Jackalope]

Someone's obviously been drinking.

[Amarok]

Well it hit Pelosi today for sure!  LOL  #MAGA

Yay petty childish tribalism . That's what will fix America .

[Cecelia]

My brother and brother-in-law aren't getting paid. Both are having real problems. They could lose their health benefits too, which would really suck. Especially for my brother-in-law since he's not married to my sister yet.

[Drich]

meh..

We have a car lot and alot of people buy cars with their tax returns but I can understand Pelosi/shumer's reasons for not passing a budge the president can sign, even if I do not agree with it. if we must endure to better this country then so be it. yes it sucks having to wait weeks or months for money due us but it is nothing like trying to run a business under super strict governement regulation and crazy taxes. withholding a payment or two is nothing of the previous 8 years of hell and worry on how will we make out bills.

From what I understand two things will happen that will really benefit trump if he waits out the "dims" in the house. One the interest alone from withholding this federal money could pay for his way by april, and two is any furloughed federal employee (non essential employee) can be terminated without any cause or explanation which again is in line with a huge campaign promise to cut the size of government they say as many as 50,000 federal non essential employees could be fired. (if they don't show up to work without pay) This again is enough to build the wall several times over.

I think Nancy and shoemer are small picture thinkers and are holding funds to simply spite trump and trump is playing them to cut a large portion of fat out of the federal government which in of itself will free up funds that can be allocated to the wall anyway. which is what trump wanted from the beginning but could not get done any other way. so rather than keep trump from getting his wall The "Dims" are not only giving trump his wall but cutting trillions out of the federal budget as well!

[Yonadav]

meh..

We have a car lot and alot of people buy cars with their tax returns but I can understand Pelosi/shumer's reasons for not passing a budge the president can sign, even if I do not agree with it. if we must endure to better this country then so be it. yes it sucks having to wait weeks or months for money due us but it is nothing like trying to run a business under super strict governement regulation and crazy taxes. withholding a payment or two is nothing of the previous 8 years of hell and worry on how will we make out bills.

From what I understand two things will happen that will really benefit trump if he waits out the "dims" in the house. One the interest alone from withholding this federal money could pay for his way by april, and two is any furloughed federal employee (non essential employee) can be terminated without any cause or explanation which again is in line with a huge campaign promise to cut the size of government they say as many as 50,000 federal non essential employees could be fired. (if they don't show up to work without pay)  This again is enough to build the wall several times over.

I think Nancy and shoemer are small picture thinkers and are holding funds to simply spite trump and trump is playing them to cut a large portion of fat out of the federal government which in of itself will free up funds that can be allocated to the wall anyway. which is what trump wanted from the beginning but could not get done any other way. so rather than keep trump from getting his wall The "Dims" are not only giving trump his wall but cutting trillions out of the federal budget as well!

You believe that the money that isn't being paid to federal employees is being held in an interest bearing account? It's not. The only people that are going to earn interest on the withheld money is some federal contractors who are going to be owed interest on missed payments.  The government is losing money on this shutdown in many ways. And firing 50,000 nonessential workers is unlikely to happen.

The Democrats aren't going to budge because Trump is taking the majority of the blame for the shutdown. Heat is being turned up on senate Republicans. It is possible that this might actually end with Trump's veto being over ridden. That would be an absolute disaster for Trump, since it would completely undermine his legitimacy in the Republican Party. A credible fear that his veto might not stand would probably be enough to make a sane person relent. Trump can't win this. Even if Pelosi and Schumer give him the money for the wall, it will look more like a coup by alt-right pundits than a victory for Trump.

Everyone knows that Trump was taunted into shutting down the government by alt-right talk show personalities. We know that he intended to sign the spending bill that was unanimously passed by the senate. We know that he vetoed the bill after being ordered to do it by talk show hosts. Under those circumstances, it is not possible for Democrats to give in. If it were just a policy disagreement between congressional Dems and the president, either side could budge a little bit. But this is about Trump taking orders from Coulter, Beck, and Limbaugh. The puppet is either going to cut his strings or be hung on them.

[onlinebiker]

Last night my SO complained - that she hadn't received the renewal of her ham radio license.... " I sent it in a MONTH ago!!"

" See what happens when you don't listen to the news?" I quipped....

[The Grand Nudger]

I have two projects held on funding, and jan 31st is my deadline..so, either I'll come out of pocket and continue the data collection or I'll say "no money no workey" to uncle sam, and let the whole thing die...effectively shitcanning three years of research (and some poor fuckers graduate thesis).

I suppose it's useful to add that this happens all the time..it's only related to the shutdown this time by circumstance, lol.

[Drich]

You believe that the money that isn't being paid to federal employees is being held in an interest bearing account? It's not. The only people that are going to earn interest on the withheld money is some federal contractors who are going to be owed interest on missed payments.  The government is losing money on this shutdown in many ways. And firing 50,000 nonessential workers is unlikely to happen.

it's already been anounced to those 50,000, if you do not show up to work you are gone. google it. if this thing last long enough most will be forced to find another job. and another 60 to 70% of our taxes are held by the federal reserve and issued out when congress budgets the year/period. you can bet your sweet bippy that the government is indeed making interest on their holdings where it be through federal note loans or through trade the reserve has much more to play with for longer now that it is not writing a billion checks a day

The Democrats aren't going to budge because Trump is taking the majority of the blame for the shutdown.

blame is pointless here as both sides agree to not work together. the problem with that (and people will later see) is that trump is going to get what he wants either way and will also full fill another campain promise along the way, which means all the suffering short sighted nacy caused by not working with trump prooves she is a ineffective leader who was not only fooled by trump but played by him to take responsibility for all of this while he again gets what he wanted to begin with.

Heat is being turned up on senate Republicans. It is possible that this might actually end with Trump's veto being over ridden.

this would be the weak link in the chain, but you also have to remeber alot of the republicans who hold a seat in the senate do so because of trump and many of the others kept their seats because of trump. I thin the real crisis is being generated and held in the hearts and minds of those who still get the majority of their news from the fake media. granted I'm sure you can dig up some federal employee who lost the farm and will blame trump, but again so what. The majority of his support understand what is going on because we get it directly from him, not just the crazy headlines the news wants you to see but the underlining stuff most of your douche bags will never know because the news will not want you to see his plan or how it all is to work out.

That would be an absolute disaster for Trump, since it would completely undermine his legitimacy in the Republican Party. A credible fear that his veto might not stand would probably be enough to make a sane person relent. Trump can't win this. Even if Pelosi and Schumer give him the money for the wall, it will look more like a coup by alt-right pundits than a victory for Trump.

how many years after his 2nd term is over will you guys be singing trumps a disaster/joke song? everything he does according to you guys is the final step that he has now failed or his desision is his last and on and on and on without anything to show for it.

Everyone knows that Trump was taunted into shutting down the government by alt-right talk show personalities.

what is alt right personality?
Trump shut down the government because he is setting nacy up for a h-UGE political fall. give it time sport. he is playing her like he played the media throughout his campaign. Remember he was supposed to apologize to obama at his grand opening of the new hotel on penn ave in DC got every new agency on the planet out there he went through a whole grand opening spiel about the billions spend and how nice everything was and at the end of everythig said something "sorry obama i was misinformed" or something like that.. In essence he tricked the media in spending tens of millions of dollars in covering his grand opening in world wide coverage of this new hotel of his.. for nothing.. This russia investigation, this shut down it's all part of a bigger play to 'drain the swamp.'

We know that he intended to sign the spending bill that was unanimously passed by the senate. We know that he vetoed the bill after being ordered to do it by talk show hosts.

what bill? nothing has passed. FAKE NEWS In fact sport Trump has never vetoed ANYTHING yet!!!
here a fake new source that came up with this story:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/20/politics/...index.html

So yeah trump has not vetoed any bill because you don't even have enough votes in the senate to pass anything the house put fourth!

 Under those circumstances, it is not possible for Democrats to give in.

and if those circumstances were fake news? that trump has not vetoed what you have been told he has??? Again the only think he was in 5 billion for this wall which is less than 1% of the total budget.. I do not understand the big deal. Trump wants less than one percent to make us safer, why not give it to him? Did you know the very same people denying trump this money voted for a wall under obama just a few years ago? Trump made it affordable and now they don't want it. when it was 50 trillion dollars nearly everyone voted yes even clinton, but now that trump made deals and brough down the cost... the dims say no.. why? what changed?

If it were just a policy disagreement between congressional Dems and the president, either side could budge a little bit. But this is about Trump taking orders from Coulter, Beck, and Limbaugh. The puppet is either going to cut his strings or be hung on them.

two of those three no longer even have shows sport. Trump and limbaugh are not even friends limbaugh slaming trump for how he does things.. calls his a disruptor in this slam:
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2019/...president/

coulter is blasting trump for being too much like jeb/trying to work with the dims..
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/42618...nd-got-jeb

Beck is not on anyone's radar anymore wft did you even get that? why not mention herman cain as well or someone else from 2000/2001

In the media trump favors fox and friends in the morning which is like a goofy morning show and hannity which i follow and he does favor the shut down but agree/slams trump for how he is rubbing people even his base the wrong way.

You guys really are honestly way waaay off base here.

From the beginning when these guys even hanity did not like trump. hannitty was a rubio or jeb man. limbaugh was an establishment guy as well. no one thought trump had a chance and now that he is in office they all relunctly fall in, and when things don't go smoothly like with this shut down they all bail and like the fake news on your side start to predict is doom and gloom, till one of them kind coined the phrase let trump be trump. he doesn't do things the typical way which is what resonates with the people, we cant predict this man no how his actions will lay out, if they could on either side his victory would not have been so upsetting to somany they cried sweet sweet tears on national tv..

Bottom line from trump himself 5 billion for the wall or we will not pass the bill

Nancy claims you do not have the votes in the senate if we did pass the bill, trumps counters you do not have the votes to pass the senate with any bill you produce without 5 billion for the wall (agan 5 billion less than 1% of total budget.

[Jehanne]

Nancy claims you do not have the votes in the senate if we did pass the bill, trumps counters you do not have the votes to pass the senate with any bill you produce without 5 billion for the wall (agan 5 billion less than 1% of total budget.

No expert in engineering believes that the wall will end-up costing $5 billion, more like 2 to 3 times that, and in the end, it will do nothing.

[Jackalope]

No expert in engineering believes that the wall will end-up costing $5 billion, more like 2 to 3 times that, and in the end, it will do nothing.

IIRC the 5 billion is for 200 miles of wall. The border is approximately 2000 miles long. It's going to be more like 50 and you know there will be overruns.

50+ billion buys a lot of surveillance, interdiction and lastly, tightening up border crossings which is where the majority of the problem is - and a wall addresses that not at all.