How to deal with crooked people

[T0 Th3 M4X]

It's not about wanting to just fight, but sometimes it's the cause behind the fight.  If I had over my wallet, they may or may not shoot anyway.  If I resist, hopefully intelligently, then they won't get what they wanted in one form or another.  No matter what, if I surrender, there will be a next, and a next, and a next...  Until someone is willing to stand up to them.  I guarantee you, my dying words won't be, "Here's my wallet, now please don't shoot."  But we're all different, and your position on it is understood.

lol. I've seen plenty of guys like you who say they would do this, that and the third freeze up, run or give in when the moment comes. You don't think about your principles when you're staring down the wrong end of a barrel. It's very easy to type about it on an internet forum but it's very different when it really happens. And unless you've been there before, you don't know what you'll do. End of story.

But hey man, tell yourself whatever you like about principles and doing the right thing. Problem is, you ain't gonna teach anyone a lesson. You'll probably just end up getting yourself or someone you love hurt.

You think like prey, so you will be prey.  They're not looking for me.  They're looking for you.

[EgoDeath]

lol. I've seen plenty of guys like you who say they would do this, that and the third freeze up, run or give in when the moment comes. You don't think about your principles when you're staring down the wrong end of a barrel. It's very easy to type about it on an internet forum but it's very different when it really happens. And unless you've been there before, you don't know what you'll do. End of story.

But hey man, tell yourself whatever you like about principles and doing the right thing. Problem is, you ain't gonna teach anyone a lesson. You'll probably just end up getting yourself or someone you love hurt.

You think like prey, so you will be prey.  They're not looking for me.  They're looking for you.

Ha. Right. Good luck with that dude.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

You think like prey, so you will be prey.  They're not looking for me.  They're looking for you.

Ha. Right. Good luck with that dude.

[EgoDeath]

Ha. Right. Good luck with that dude.

As someone who's been in multiple active shooter/shootout situations, I have to say you sound insanely ridiculous and naive. I've literally had to defend my life with a firearm before and I'm still here. I think like prey? You're delusional. You think like a 19-year-old kid who's never had to defend their life from someone who was trying to kill them. Hopefully, you don't get yourself or your wife or someone you love shot one day trying to play that bullshit tough guy role. Take it easy buddy.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

As someone who's been in multiple active shooter/shootout situations, I have to say you sound insanely ridiculous and naive. I've literally had to defend my life with a firearm before and I'm still here. I think like prey? You're delusional. You think like a 19-year-old kid who's never had to defend their life from someone who was trying to kill them. Hopefully, you don't get yourself or your wife or someone you love shot one day trying to play that bullshit tough guy role. Take it easy buddy.

Nah. Was in the Army, and spent much time overseas.  Spent plenty of time with weapons, mostly small arms.  Not going to say anymore, because no reason to.  If you think your way is best, then I'm sure that's how you'll live life regardless.  I will tell you I don't live scared though, and if someone does try to rob or mug me, they better be quick on that trigger.  Not because I hope it happens, but because I'm not going to submit to someone's criminal behavior.  If you're willing to, no prob.  Understood.  But that's not me.

[EgoDeath]

As someone who's been in multiple active shooter/shootout situations, I have to say you sound insanely ridiculous and naive. I've literally had to defend my life with a firearm before and I'm still here. I think like prey? You're delusional. You think like a 19-year-old kid who's never had to defend their life from someone who was trying to kill them. Hopefully, you don't get yourself or your wife or someone you love shot one day trying to play that bullshit tough guy role. Take it easy buddy.

Nah. Was in the Army, and spent much time overseas.  Spent plenty of time with weapons, mostly small arms.  Not going to say anymore, because no reason to.  If you think your way is best, then I'm sure that's how you'll live life regardless.  I will tell you I don't live scared though, and if someone does try to rob or mug me, they better be quick on that trigger.  Not because I hope it happens, but because I'm not going to submit to someone's criminal behavior.  If you're willing to, no prob.  Understood.  But that's not me.

Ah great. Reminds me of the many stories I've seen too many times on the news, "Veteran killed attempting to thwart bank robbery." Sad that you think that way man. But I've seen people, even some with training, freeze up. You say it's not about ego, but it is; this is evidenced by the fact that you say you're not going to "give in". You clearly have a chip on you're shoulder and a point to prove. Problem is... You're not going to teach anyone a lesson. Period. Probably just piss the guy off and get yourself or someone you love killed trying to be some kind of "teacher." What a joke.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Nah. Was in the Army, and spent much time overseas.  Spent plenty of time with weapons, mostly small arms.  Not going to say anymore, because no reason to.  If you think your way is best, then I'm sure that's how you'll live life regardless.  I will tell you I don't live scared though, and if someone does try to rob or mug me, they better be quick on that trigger.  Not because I hope it happens, but because I'm not going to submit to someone's criminal behavior.  If you're willing to, no prob.  Understood.  But that's not me.

Ah great. Reminds me of the many stories I've seen too many times on the news, "Veteran killed attempting to thwart bank robbery." Sad that you think that way man. But I've seen people, even some with training, freeze up. You say it's not about ego, but it is; this is evidenced by the fact that you say you're not going to "give in". You clearly have a chip on you're shoulder and a point to prove. Problem is... You're not going to teach anyone a lesson. Period. Probably just piss the guy off and get yourself or someone you love killed trying to be some kind of "teacher." What a joke.

Why give in?  I have no chip on my shoulder, and as I said from the beginning, I hope it never happens to either of us.  But to assume I should respond just like you is unfair.  I honestly would not kneel to someone and submit to their demands.  If you choose to because you think it's safer, that's your choice, but I already said that as well.  I know myself well enough to know I'm not someone who "freezes up."  Maybe better if I was, but it's not me any day of the week.  When there is a challenge, I press in.  That is me.  Truth is, if someone just came to me and said, "Hey, I'm struggling and need some $$$", then that's probably all they need to do.  No guns.  Just let me know I can help.  But if they try to force my hand, then the rules go out the window.

Many veterans stop those robberies.  Any time a weapon is involved things can go sour.  But why do you think they try regardless of the result?  When you can figure that out, you'll understand.

[EgoDeath]

Ah great. Reminds me of the many stories I've seen too many times on the news, "Veteran killed attempting to thwart bank robbery." Sad that you think that way man. But I've seen people, even some with training, freeze up. You say it's not about ego, but it is; this is evidenced by the fact that you say you're not going to "give in". You clearly have a chip on you're shoulder and a point to prove. Problem is... You're not going to teach anyone a lesson. Period. Probably just piss the guy off and get yourself or someone you love killed trying to be some kind of "teacher." What a joke.

Why give in?  I have no chip on my shoulder, and as I said from the beginning, I hope it never happens to either of us.  But to assume I should respond just like you is unfair.  I honestly would not kneel to someone and submit to their demands.  If you choose to because you think it's safer, that's your choice, but I already said that as well.  I know myself well enough to know I'm not someone who "freezes up."  Maybe better if I was, but it's not me any day of the week.  When there is a challenge, I press in.  That is me.  Truth is, if someone just came to me and said, "Hey, I'm struggling and need some $$$", then that's probably all they need to do.  No guns.  Just let me know I can help.  But if they try to force my hand, then the rules go out the window.

Many veterans stop those robberies.  Any time a weapon is involved things can go sour.  But why do you think they try regardless of the result?  When you can figure that out, you'll understand.

Yea sounds like a bunch of tough guy BS to me man. Sounds like you need to grow up. Plenty of normal citizens stop those robberies too. Plenty of normal citizens also get themselves killed attempting to stop those robberies. Goes to show, veteran or not, bullets can kill you. A lot of guys think they know themselves and how they'd react until it actually happens. Would be interesting to see how you'd live with yourself if you got someone else killed trying to be the tough guy who "won't give in." It's not about giving in though. It's about the fact that my wallet with, maybe $60 in it, ain't worth the chance to die or get someone else killed because I think I have a point to prove. I used to think like you, trust me. But I've been through it enough times to know I was wrong. Hopefully you never have to learn that lesson.

[arewethereyet]

Ah great. Reminds me of the many stories I've seen too many times on the news, "Veteran killed attempting to thwart bank robbery." Sad that you think that way man. But I've seen people, even some with training, freeze up. You say it's not about ego, but it is; this is evidenced by the fact that you say you're not going to "give in". You clearly have a chip on you're shoulder and a point to prove. Problem is... You're not going to teach anyone a lesson. Period. Probably just piss the guy off and get yourself or someone you love killed trying to be some kind of "teacher." What a joke.

Why give in?  I have no chip on my shoulder, and as I said from the beginning, I hope it never happens to either of us.  But to assume I should respond just like you is unfair.  I honestly would not kneel to someone and submit to their demands.  If you choose to because you think it's safer, that's your choice, but I already said that as well.  I know myself well enough to know I'm not someone who "freezes up."  Maybe better if I was, but it's not me any day of the week.  When there is a challenge, I press in.  That is me.  Truth is, if someone just came to me and said, "Hey, I'm struggling and need some $$$", then that's probably all they need to do.  No guns.  Just let me know I can help.  But if they try to force my hand, then the rules go out the window.

Many veterans stop those robberies.  Any time a weapon is involved things can go sour.  But why do you think they try regardless of the result?  When you can figure that out, you'll understand.

The sound of your muscles flexing is sooooo impressive.  

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Why give in?  I have no chip on my shoulder, and as I said from the beginning, I hope it never happens to either of us.  But to assume I should respond just like you is unfair.  I honestly would not kneel to someone and submit to their demands.  If you choose to because you think it's safer, that's your choice, but I already said that as well.  I know myself well enough to know I'm not someone who "freezes up."  Maybe better if I was, but it's not me any day of the week.  When there is a challenge, I press in.  That is me.  Truth is, if someone just came to me and said, "Hey, I'm struggling and need some $$$", then that's probably all they need to do.  No guns.  Just let me know I can help.  But if they try to force my hand, then the rules go out the window.

Many veterans stop those robberies.  Any time a weapon is involved things can go sour.  But why do you think they try regardless of the result?  When you can figure that out, you'll understand.

Yea sounds like a bunch of tough guy BS to me man. Sounds like you need to grow up. Plenty of normal citizens stop those robberies too. Plenty of normal citizens also get themselves killed attempting to stop those robberies. Goes to show, veteran or not, bullets can kill you. A lot of guys think they know themselves and how they'd react until it actually happens. Would be interesting to see how you'd live with yourself if you got someone else killed trying to be the tough guy who "won't give in." It's not about giving in though. It's about the fact that my wallet with, maybe $60 in it, ain't worth the chance to die or get someone else killed because I think I have a point to prove. I used to think like you, trust me. But I've been through it enough times to know I was wrong. Hopefully you never have to learn that lesson.

No, sounds like you have been playing too much street fighter, and thought it was real.  You're the one yappin about being in shootouts and such.  You can always tell the men from the boys when the kiddies start talking about their street wars.

You're right, bullets can kill you.  But they don't have to.  I don't look for fights, but I don't run from them either because it's counter productive.  If you let a bully, "bully you" then you might as well put a bullseye on your back because they or someone else will do it again.

One thing I learned way back in high school, you give it to the bully and he'll always be there as a bully.  There was a little gang of kids that would pick fights.  One day they actually called me and said they were coming over to fight me.  I said "come over."  Got ready to go, stood my ground, and no on ever had to throw a punch.  After that, we were friends all through high school and even to this day.  Why?  Because I don't think like "prey."  It doesn't mean I want to be a predator, but when I have to flip that switch I do.   Like I said, I'm not the one they're looking for.

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Why give in?  I have no chip on my shoulder, and as I said from the beginning, I hope it never happens to either of us.  But to assume I should respond just like you is unfair.  I honestly would not kneel to someone and submit to their demands.  If you choose to because you think it's safer, that's your choice, but I already said that as well.  I know myself well enough to know I'm not someone who "freezes up."  Maybe better if I was, but it's not me any day of the week.  When there is a challenge, I press in.  That is me.  Truth is, if someone just came to me and said, "Hey, I'm struggling and need some $$$", then that's probably all they need to do.  No guns.  Just let me know I can help.  But if they try to force my hand, then the rules go out the window.

Many veterans stop those robberies.  Any time a weapon is involved things can go sour.  But why do you think they try regardless of the result?  When you can figure that out, you'll understand.

The sound of your muscles flexing is sooooo impressive.  

That's not muscle.  It's common sense.