Hypocrisy much?

[Yonadav]

Admittedly, I think Yonadav is just trying to take the more pragmatic (if blatantly exploitative) attitude many rich people take towards hiring illegal immigrants, and spinning it around in such a way that it looks like the xenophobia behind this whole movement is the fault of the left and not the right. I know I’ve been souring about the left over the past few years, but I know better than to fall for that sort of bullshit. A “not so different” approach might make sense, but shifting the blame so heavily that it seems like Obama is more anti-immigrant than Trump is fucking dumb. Personal hypocrisy doesn’t make up for the horrible policy any more than hiring a Jewish housemaid/mistress makes up for being one of the most horrifying concentration camp commandants of the entire  Nazi era (and that’s really saying something; in the film, Goeth’s antics were actually toned down and we’re extreme enough that even the other Nazis thought he went too far):

I didn't spin anything around so that xenophobia is the fault of the left and not the right. I can see how you might have read that into my remark about some politicians using anti-immigrant rhetoric in areas where organized labor is strong. But just because you can read that into it, doesn't mean that is what I meant. Sure, organized labor has some problems with mass immigration, but that's not what is responsible for such naked nativism as we are currently seeing. 

Who tried to make it seem that Obama was more anti-immigration than Trump?  I said that Obama was arguably tougher on immigrants than George W. 

I try to be careful with impressions about posters in these discussions, because they can be very misleading. But I am under the impression that you believe that I have become soured with the left. I'm not. I am as staunchly left as I have ever been. As the left has grown in popularity, we have been overrun by a large number of illiberal people who don't actually know their right from their left. And they aren't interested in learning the difference. And I get exasperated with them.

[Brian37]

There is NOTHING to be debated about human cruelty.

Leave enough gullible and fearful humans in one group without question and these are the types of things that can happen

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And here is a depiction of a lesser known, but equally important hero undercover from the Japanese Side whom also saved Jews.

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The prior is a movie version, the following is a documentary. 

[Rev. Rye]

I didn't spin anything around so that xenophobia is the fault of the left and not the right. I can see how you might have read that into my remark about some politicians using anti-immigrant rhetoric in areas where organized labor is strong. But just because you can read that into it, doesn't mean that is what I meant. Sure, organized labor has some problems with mass immigration, but that's not what is responsible for such naked nativism as we are currently seeing. 

Who tried to make it seem that Obama was more anti-immigration than Trump?  I said that Obama was arguably tougher on immigrants than George W. 

I try to be careful with impressions about posters in these discussions, because they can be very misleading. But I am under the impression that you believe that I have become soured with the left. I'm not. I am as staunchly left as I have ever been. As the left has grown in popularity, we have been overrun by a large number of illiberal people who don't actually know their right from their left. And they aren't interested in learning the difference. And I get exasperated with them.

The specific passage I was referring to was: "[Trump] almost certainly isn't sincere about his anti-immigrant stance. He just bashes immigrants because it plays well with his base."

And for the record, my "soured with the left" part was actually talking about me, and specifically referring to not the ideals of the left (which I still consider, at my most idealistic, something to aspire to, and, at my most cynical, the lesser of two evils [the greater of which being the sort of horseshit that Trump is pandering to]), but the, as you put it, illiberal people who seem to have overrun it (at least on social media networks).

[Figbash]

This is the sort of thing I am seeing his supporters say:

you think Trump was involved with hiring the house keepers? His 500 businesses employee 25,000 people. 🙄

[Jane2d]

Ms. Torres said she had used a fake Social Security number when she applied for her job.

... She said that she told a human resources employee, whose name she does not know, that she did not have legal status.

... There is no evidence that Mr. Trump knew of the unlawful status of employees at the club.

... Ms. Torres, 43, said she was hired to work at the resort in early 2015 using a falsified Social Security number and permanent resident card.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/03/us/tr...ule=inline

...that the green card and Social Security card she had used to get hired were fake, purchased in Queens for about $120.

... There is nothing to indicate that Mr. Trump or Trump Organization executives knew about the workers’ immigration status at either golf club.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/us/tr...rkers.html

One  does not need to ask Trump supporters about it, it is included in the various articles on the topic.

[arewethereyet]

Um  no, the greedy really do not care if you are born in a country or from another country, if greed is their motivation, they will always take cheap labor and attempt to drive down wages, regardless of papers or being born here.

That is not to say there are those who are empathetic to migration that do hire migrants regardless of papers, there are.

Trump is the type who hires migrants for the cheap labor. There are other rich people who hire people without papers too, but are not fucking bigots and understand that it is just about surviving.

Learn to fucking read and stop picking fights with figments of your imagination. You basically repeated what I said.

Hmmm...the vacuum pressure was enough to make you swear.  

I get a bit of twisted pleasure out of that.

[Yonadav]

Learn to fucking read and stop picking fights with figments of your imagination. You basically repeated what I said.

Hmmm...the vacuum pressure was enough to make you swear.  

I get a bit of twisted pleasure out of that.

You should be careful. You're in danger of starting to like me a little bit. The next thing you know, you'll be eating oats out of my hand while I gently stroke the side of your nose and coo to you softly.

[The Grand Nudger]

And for the record, my "soured with the left" part was actually talking about me, and specifically referring to not the ideals of the left (which I still consider, at my most idealistic, something to aspire to, and, at my most cynical, the lesser of two evils [the greater of which being the sort of horseshit that Trump is pandering to]), but the, as you put it, illiberal people who seem to have overrun it (at least on social media networks).

A number of which appear to have been bots and trolls, a good portion of the remainder is sub farming, and then we strike out the teens just becoming politically or socially aware..and finally any lingering instance of deceptive/lazy opinion or reporting.

It's become very difficult to determine the extent to which illiberalism is actually growing on the left.  The idea, itself, is very much a product of things like the heritage foundation even if it is. I soured on the left more for the failures of the radical wing commonly described as the illiberal set, than because they were in any neatly definable way illiberal.

[Fake Messiah]

Yeah, Trump family thought it was going to be fun and profitable when Donald became the president, but then he got scrutinized by the press and now they're even losing money because they have to hire expensive legals.