Evolution and Christianity and Salvation

[Yonadav]

Vayiru v'nei ha'elohim es-b'nos ha'adam ki tovos heinah vayikchu lahem nashim mikhol asher bacharu.
And saw the sons of G-d the daughters of man were good and took of them wives from all that they chose. Genesis 6:2

[zebo-the-fat]

How can these souls be detected, where in the body are they located, what tests can identify if a person has a soul or not?
Or is it all made up crap?

[Brian37]

And in the clubs of modernity some people will say the same thing over and over in every single discussion, multiple times per day, every day, for years on end. And they won't recognize this evidence that clearly indicates that they are crazy. It might be therapeutic for them to actually engage the specifics of the OP.

Santa is a marketing ploy just over a century old, stemming from the myth of St Nick.

It might be better to just let go of bullshit.

How much time do you spend debating Apollo or Thor or Isis?

[pocaracas]

i raised this issue on a Catholic forum recently and I was surprised how little it bothered people.  I claim that Catholicism and Evolution are not compatible, based on the following: 

Consider that it is a fundamental tenant of Christianity that ALL human beings, every one alive today, MUST trace their linage back to a single man (or woman) that committed the grave sin of rejecting God.  If you think this was Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, fine - you don't believe in Evolution and you can downgrade to other discussions on the topic. However, the general consensus of science-based Christians (including Cardinal Ratzinger) is that, if you want to rationalize evolution with Christian dogma, you must assume that ONE human being (and only one), at some time in our past, was 'injected' with a soul.  This was the first human being with a soul, perhaps 50,000 years ago (or 6,000 who knows).  

Hmmm.... Injected with a soul... What is a soul?

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/03/...l.html?m=1
""
And a human being damaged to such an extent that it could exercise none of its animal capacities and retained only its intellectual and volitional faculties in an impaired state would, you might say, be a stub of a human being, the bare minimum consistent with a human being’s surviving at all -- a human being reduced to little more than its nature, with almost nothing in the way of a manifestation of that nature.
[...]
Now such a stub of a human being is what a soul is, or a disembodied soul anyway. This is why Aristotelian-Thomistic philosophers often call a disembodied soul an “incomplete substance”
[...]
This is also a way to understand the sense in which the soul is the substantial form -- that is to say, the nature -- of a human being. A nature or substantial form is not a Platonic abstraction. It exists in a concrete individual thing, as its principle of operation and the source of its properties. It is there as long as, and only as long as, the individual thing itself is there. But when the operations and properties in question are prevented from being manifested, what we are left with in effect is the principle or source without that which flows from it. Thus to reduce a human being to the bare minimum consistent with its being there at all is to reduce it as far as possible to its nature or substantial form -- that is, to its soul alone
""

From this, I must ask how could there be humans without a soul at all?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Vayiru v'nei ha'elohim es-b'nos ha'adam ki tovos heinah vayikchu lahem nashim mikhol asher bacharu.
And saw the sons of G-d the daughters of man were good and took of them wives from all that they chose. Genesis 6:2

Lig dó freastal ar na daoine breoite, Lig dó leas a bhaint as an láidre, Lig dó fírinne a bheith aige Lig dó smaoineamh bréagach,  Lig grá dó righteousness, Lig dó buille síos eagla, Lig dó coirpigh a chosc, Lig dó breithiúnais fhíor a thabhairt dó, Lig dó gach eolaíocht,  Lig dó gach síocháin a chomhdhlúthú.

Let him attend to the sick,
Let him benefit the poor,
Let him possess truth
Let him chide falsehood,
 Let him love righteousness,
Let him beat down fear,
Let him crush criminals,
Let him give true judgments,
Let him foster every science,
Let him consolidate every peace. - The Book Of Leinster,  'On The Virtues Of A King', 35-40

Boru

[Yonadav]

Vayiru v'nei ha'elohim es-b'nos ha'adam ki tovos heinah vayikchu lahem nashim mikhol asher bacharu.
And saw the sons of G-d the daughters of man were good and took of them wives from all that they chose. Genesis 6:2

Lig dó freastal ar na daoine breoite, Lig dó leas a bhaint as an láidre, Lig dó fírinne a bheith aige Lig dó smaoineamh bréagach,  Lig grá dó righteousness, Lig dó buille síos eagla, Lig dó coirpigh a chosc, Lig dó breithiúnais fhíor a thabhairt dó, Lig dó gach eolaíocht,  Lig dó gach síocháin a chomhdhlúthú.

Let him attend to the sick,
Let him benefit the poor,
Let him possess truth
Let him chide falsehood,
 Let him love righteousness,
Let him beat down fear,
Let him crush criminals,
Let him give true judgments,
Let him foster every science,
Let him consolidate every peace. - The Book Of Leinster,  'On The Virtues Of A King', 35-40

Boru

And that is relevant to those who have had the divine spark breathed into them by G-d passing on the divine spark to their descendants how?

[brewer]

gods spark, is that what they're calling it now?

[Yonadav]

gods spark, is that what they're calling it now?

More literally it would be 'the breath of G-d'.  This discussion interested me because it appears that the Catholics reconciled their beliefs with evolution by lifting from the Jewish tradition. Long, long before Charles Darwin came along, the Sages of the Talmud discussed the generations before Adam. Adam was the first man to have the Breath of G-d breathed into him.

[brewer]

gods spark, is that what they're calling it now?

More literally it would be 'the breath of G-d'.  This discussion interested me because it appears that the Catholics reconciled their beliefs with evolution by lifting from the Jewish tradition. Long, long before Charles Darwin came along, the Sages of the Talmud discussed the generations before Adam. Adam was the first man to have the Breath of G-d breathed into him.

Were the generations before adam non humans and did they also have the non breath peoples die off?

[Nay_Sayer]

How can these souls be detected, where in the body are they located, what tests can identify if a person has a soul or not?
Or is it all made up crap?

Easy.  Anyone who isn't ginger has a soul.  Sorry redheads, FSM was just, well he was distracted when handing them out.