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California ban on high capacity magazines declared unconstitutional
#31
RE: California ban on high capacity magazines declared unconstitutional
If the U.S. wants gun control the Constitution will have to be amended.
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#32
RE: California ban on high capacity magazines declared unconstitutional
We already have gun control.  Trying to get amendments is another one of those paying for nothing issues.

We don't enforce our laws. Why writing new laws..which we won't enforce, or are themselves unenforceable, would help..is anyone's guess.
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#33
RE: California ban on high capacity magazines declared unconstitutional
(March 30, 2019 at 12:37 pm)chimp3 Wrote: If the U.S. wants gun control the Constitution will have to be amended.

Unfortunately I don't know what it would take to do that. Even with non firearm issues it is hard to make or remove an Amendment. So unless the right or wrong person or people get hurt by firearm violence, that is a tall order. You'd think Newtown alone would have done it. Parkland has lit somewhat of a fire to motive more sane people, but right now, I don't see that happening right now. I think what will change thing in the long term is keeping our voices up, and refusing to accept the fear mongering narrative sold by the industry. 

In fact, if I am remembering correctly, a lawsuit against a maker has been allowed to go through regarding it's marketing. Just like big tobacco was successfully sued for its marketing. I think if that lawsuit is successful, that could open the door more.  


But one thing we can do is stop calling it "gun control". The industry and NRA  love that because they can sell that as what dictators do. I say, "gun safety", and I don't think responsible gun owners are against safety. 

I would say, maybe if not all, but a few of the founders, it could be argued, if they were alive today, might say, "Look guys, that isn't what we meant. And regardless laws do have to change with changing technology." What is the point of using the words "well regulated" if all we want is a free for all, which is pretty much what we have now. Our conflicting laws from state to state make it damned near impossible to reduce firearm violence.
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#34
RE: California ban on high capacity magazines declared unconstitutional
(March 30, 2019 at 12:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Unfortunately I don't know what it would take to do that. 

A Lot™.

We do not have a free for all...even the "wild west" wasn't a free for all. We have a tangled pile of federal and state regs, and then municipal orders on top...the enforcement of which ranges from lacking to nonexistent.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#35
RE: California ban on high capacity magazines declared unconstitutional
(March 30, 2019 at 12:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(March 30, 2019 at 12:37 pm)chimp3 Wrote: If the U.S. wants gun control the Constitution will have to be amended.

Unfortunately I don't know what it would take to do that. Even with non firearm issues it is hard to make or remove an Amendment. So unless the right or wrong person or people get hurt by firearm violence, that is a tall order. You'd think Newtown alone would have done it. Parkland has lit somewhat of a fire to motive more sane people, but right now, I don't see that happening right now. I think what will change thing in the long term is keeping our voices up, and refusing to accept the fear mongering narrative sold by the industry. 

In fact, if I am remembering correctly, a lawsuit against a maker has been allowed to go through regarding it's marketing. Just like big tobacco was successfully sued for its marketing. I think if that lawsuit is successful, that could open the door more.  


But one thing we can do is stop calling it "gun control". The industry and NRA  love that because they can sell that as what dictators do. I say, "gun safety", and I don't think responsible gun owners are against safety. 

I would say, maybe if not all, but a few of the founders, it could be argued, if they were alive today, might say, "Look guys, that isn't what we meant. And regardless laws do have to change with changing technology." What is the point of using the words "well regulated" if all we want is a free for all, which is pretty much what we have now. Our conflicting laws from state to state make it damned near impossible to reduce firearm violence.

The well regulated militia is not what gives people the right to bear arms. People have a right to bear arms regardless of the militia. The state has a right to raise a militia, but it can not use its militia to disarm the people. "Well regulated" in this context means that the militia will not be a threat to the freedom of our citizens.
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#36
RE: California ban on high capacity magazines declared unconstitutional
(March 30, 2019 at 12:55 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:
(March 30, 2019 at 12:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Unfortunately I don't know what it would take to do that. 

A Lot™.

We do not have a free for all...even the "wild west" wasn't a free for all.  We have a tangled pile of federal and state regs, and then municipal orders on top...the enforcement of which ranges from lacking to nonexistent.

Yes we do. Our laws/regulations are impossible to enforce to an effective degree to reduce firearm violence to an effective degree. But I get what you are saying. It is ironic how the industry and NRA seem to want to go back to the "wild west" which is ironic considering the laws back then for that time were better regulated than many locals today.

The NRA when it started in 1871, that would have been an org I could have supported even not owning a firearm. Back then there was no "man card" bullshit or "commie" crap. Back then it was, "These things are not toys, take them seriously." But back in the 70s that all changed with people like Wayne La Peedipshit hijacking the org and simply became an industry profit lobby protection racket.
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#37
RE: California ban on high capacity magazines declared unconstitutional
Our regs aren't impossible to enforce, we just don't..and in many cases we intentionally defund the regulatory agencies.

Maybe the political cost you're willing to shoulder would be better spent there than on some duct tape law? It's just a thought. Technically, murrica got serious about guns in the contemporary sense when we noticed that the black panthers had 'em.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#38
RE: California ban on high capacity magazines declared unconstitutional
(March 30, 2019 at 1:09 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Our regs aren't impossible to enforce, we just don't..and in many cases we intentionally defund the regulatory agencies.

Maybe the political cost you're willing to shoulder would be better spent there than on some duct tape law?  It's just a thought.  Technically, murrica got serious about guns in the contemporary sense when we noticed that the black panthers had 'em.

There is a difference between enforceable and pragmatically enforced to an effective degree. No, it is not a "duct tape law" it is a ban on the combo. Again, no different than any law that bans an illegal modification of a firearm. It is a modification regulation, not a ban on duct tape. Just like it is illegal to modify a shotgun by sawing off half the barrel. You are not banning a saw, just banning the use of the saw to modify the shotgun. 

It still remains if our patchwork of varying laws from state to state are not reducing firearm violence. If they were, we would not have the sheer amount of firearm violence we do.
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#39
RE: California ban on high capacity magazines declared unconstitutional
(March 30, 2019 at 1:09 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:    Technically, murrica got serious about guns in the contemporary sense when we noticed that the black panthers had 'em.

That's exactly right. And gun control motivation from the fear of black people with guns goes back a lot further than that. The Dred Scott decision specifically states the fear of giving him the right to have guns as a reason for not recognizing him as a citizen. After the Civil War, southern states were trying all kinds of things to keep guns out of the hands of black people.

Since gun control has always been a racist thing before, why would anyone believe that it's not now? Everyone knows that it's not really the hillbillies and rednecks that we are trying to take guns away from. We want guns out of the 'inner cities'. It's always been a racist thing before. It is still a racist thing.
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RE: California ban on high capacity magazines declared unconstitutional
(March 30, 2019 at 12:29 pm)Yonadav Wrote: The NRA thanks you for mentioning the NRA.

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