In support of the rage of man

[Yonadav]

Western women are basically bored and delusional. They talk a big game, but they tend to hook up with the stronger aggressive types. And they really do expect those big strong guys to step in front of bullets for them. Hell, I don't even have a dick and I will step in front of bullets for women, just because that's what my mother taught me to do. Men are taught that their lives are worthless. And that message is repeated to them for their entire lives. When one woman is killed, it's a national tragedy. When a bunch of men are killed, so what? They're men. And men are pretty easy going about this. When they step in front of bullets, they just want to die knowing that their mothers would have been proud of them for being big, and strong, and brave.

So why is it such a great source of humor when men are raped in prison, but a crime against humanity when women are raped in prison?
Why is it no big deal when a man gets raped in prison, and then a crime against humanity when that same person gets raped after a sex change?
Why is my proudest memory from childhood the way that my mother doted over me and was so proud of me when I put myself between danger and my older sister? My father just nodded at me curtly. But my mother was so freaking proud. And don't get me wrong; I really loved her for that. It's hard to be a big, strong, brave man if your mother isn't proud of you.

What you are describing here is the patriarchy perceiving women in terms of their biology, there to accept sperm and to turn it into babies. This is unfair to both genders, men and women. Men are expected to protect the precious resources whilst a woman's value is seen in terms of her biology, not as a person.

 

Interesting choice of wording. "Men are expected to protect precious resources."

[I_am_not_mafia]

What you are describing here is the patriarchy perceiving women in terms of their biology, there to accept sperm and to turn it into babies. This is unfair to both genders, men and women. Men are expected to protect the precious resources whilst a woman's value is seen in terms of her biology, not as a person.

 

Interesting choice of wording. "Men are expected to protect precious resources."

That was my point. This is how the patriarchy views women. Not as people but as resources.

[Yonadav]

Interesting choice of wording. "Men are expected to protect precious resources."

That was my point. This is how the patriarchy views women. Not as people but as resources.

Really? Men are expected to die for precious things, and women are precious, and this is a 'patriarchial' view?

[The Grand Nudger]

It may be that the current crop of nutters are suffering from a disconnect to the value making apparatus of patriarchal tradition.  They lack the means or ability  or will to build the individual honor and social credit that it extends.  They mistakenly attribute this to society having put up barriers to that sort of value making.  

It hasn't.  Go get a flag on your shoulders.  Buy a crane.  Build a house.  Up your game and leave a trail of broken hearts in your wake.  The list is endless, but you'll never satisfy that standard by bitching about it like a woman.

[I_am_not_mafia]

That was my point. This is how the patriarchy views women. Not as people but as resources.

Really? Men are expected to die for precious things, and women are precious, and this is a 'patriarchial' view?

Just because you are a considered a precious resource doesn't change the fact that you are still considered a resource and not a person.

And who is ultimately expecting other men to die for something.

Answer: Other men.

So yes it is a patriarchal view. Because it's men that have the power.

[The Grand Nudger]

That and we pay each other for those acts with the very same precious resources, traditionally.  

That's why these poor betas and incels are so upset.  They expected a share of the resources on account of their manhood...they just don't realize that they don't possess manhood.  So they refer, instead, to their childish impulses as though they were one and the same.

[I_am_not_mafia]

That and we pay each other for those acts with the very same precious resources, traditionally.  

That's why these poor betas and incels are so upset.  They expected a share of the resources on account of their manhood...they just don't realize that they don't possess manhood.  So they refer, instead, to their childish impulses as though they were one and the same.

Exactly. What they don't realise is that the patriarchy is a hierarchy. The clue is in the name. That means that it's only a minority at the top with far more men suffering at the bottom.

[The Grand Nudger]

Pretty much.  Patriarchal value making isn't now nor has it ever been reputation or pussy egalitarianism.  That these suckers are feeling left out is just an artifact of finding themselves in the position that the majority have always been in under the same. Coming up with cracked excuses for it's defensibility is going to be counterproductive. They aren't it's beneficiaries. Never were, never will be.

[Silver]

I'm going to be coming with a couple unpopular lines here:

1) rage is natural, and is not dysfunctional
2) the social norms which are anti-rage are unfair


All expressions of emotion are instinctive, and most of them are not really within conscious control.  When a child cries, the child doesn't really want to cry-- it just cries.  We understand this, and while it's annoying, we recognize that we have to put up with it.  When a fat person compulsively eats, he doesn't really want to get fat-- but the fat person is sometimes unable to subject his instinctive drive to rational truth.  When a woman is needlessly unpleasant due to PMS, we don't like it, and we might even complain about it-- but it's accepted that this is just part of the way some people are.

Men who get angry get none of this consideration.  We have a million years of ruthless savagery ingrained in us.  Most men who anger easily don't like that fact.  They fight against it, are ashamed by it, and when their instincts subject their rational minds in a moment of loss of control, they have about as much control over it as they would an epileptic seizure.

In general, while an aggressive man is clearly a menace, and the behavior is not to be encouraged, I'd also say that demonizing people who have a problem controlling ANY instinct is unfair, and unlikely to produce good results.  Quite the contrary-- using humiliation to moderate a man's behavior is likely to make him feel deeply troubled and insecure, and increase the behavior overall.


I'm not sure what can be done about it.  Probably, really aggressive guys need some vehicle for their aggression-- maybe war, maybe manual labor and lots of it.  But treating aggressive men like they want to feel that way, like they are doing it very much on purpose-- I just don't think that's the way things are.

Rage supporter, I have one question for you: do you support the natural rage to occur in any situation? 

Let me set up a scenario for you, one in which I believe the rage should be supported.

It is a customer and store employee scenario.

Let's the say the customer is being a complete twat. Should the store employee give into his natural rage and say whatever he wants to the customer?

My answer is yes, but is it also yours?

[Shell B]

I'm generally not bored until some silly girl thinks that I am supposed to entertain her. It's like when a few of the guys are hanging out, talking and having a good time, and then that one clueless woman shows up and insists on being the center of attention. She has no idea of how much of a drag she is. She's 'bored', so she expects us to pay attention to her, and make her laugh, and clown around for her. It's fucking boring as hell for the men, once they have matured enough to stop playing that game. The only reason that they ever played that game is because they wanted to fuck her.  

So telling an older man that he bores you is sweet, sweet music to his ears. It means that you'll go away.

You are quite a strange little person. Interestingly enough, men don't really seem to find me boring. I think it's just you, and just because you're one of those terrible little sissy misogynists who think manliness equates to throwing rage fits and talking down to women. I've never really been into sissies, so I'm okay that you don't like me. I prefer thoughtful men who have control over their baser emotions.