NY TIMES Publishes CIA Propaganda On Venezuela

[Cepheus Ace]

I'm not wasting 30 minutes to find out if you have a point. Maybe you should post some dialogue and not just a vid

If your point is that Trump/USA is backing the wrong Venezuela leader because of the CIA, then the CIA must be pretty convincing. Look at how many other countries they've convinced: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47053701

this is mainly about mainstream media talking about a girl saying how bad Venezuela is just like they did with the daughter of an ambassador who said Iraq was killing babies inside of incubators and like then main stream media calling ti out decided to run along with the bullshit

in this case the girl in question isn't the daughter of an ambassador but the daughter of one of the guys who got kicked out by Chavez

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Newspapers and TV networks are obviously problematic, but at least they have addresses and people who can lose their jobs, if caught lying.

they lied about Iraq... how many of them lost their jobs? oh right the ones who lost their jobs were the people who were against war with Iraq
they lied about the groups in the middle east the US arms calling them moderate rebels when they are in fact blatantly jihadist extremists... did anyone of them sloe their jobs over this?
Fox news lies a lot more and how many of them actually lost their jobs because of the lies?

[brewer]

I'm not wasting 30 minutes to find out if you have a point. Maybe you should post some dialogue and not just a vid

If your point is that Trump/USA is backing the wrong Venezuela leader because of the CIA, then the CIA must be pretty convincing. Look at how many other countries they've convinced: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-47053701

this is mainly about mainstream media talking about a girl saying how bad Venezuela is just like they did with the daughter of an ambassador who said Iraq was killing babies inside of incubators and like then main stream media calling ti out decided to run along with the bullshit

in this case the girl in question isn't the daughter of an ambassador but the daughter of one of the guys who got kicked out by Chavez

You think the US went to war because of the girl/incubator comments alone?

I doubt the US will make any moves in Venezuela based only on this girls comments. 

Manipulation of the media is not something new.

[Homeless Nutter]

they lied about Iraq...

Who did? About what, exactly? It would be much easier answering your questions if you could provide some specifics and perhaps even citations.

how many of them lost their jobs? oh right the ones who lost their jobs were the people who were against war with Iraq
they lied about the groups in the middle east the US arms calling them moderate rebels when they are in fact blatantly jihadist extremists... did anyone of them sloe their jobs over this?
Fox news lies a lot more and how many of them actually lost their jobs because of the lies?

Again, be more specific. I don't feel like arguing against vague claims.

All I know is that dozens of actual professional journalists are killed every year, while doing their jobs in dangerous places. Most of those people work for "mainstream media", not for some Alex Jones types, who get their information from... where exactly? Because they sure aren't reporting from the war-zones...

[Cepheus Ace]

this is mainly about mainstream media talking about a girl saying how bad Venezuela is just like they did with the daughter of an ambassador who said Iraq was killing babies inside of incubators and like then main stream media calling ti out decided to run along with the bullshit

in this case the girl in question isn't the daughter of an ambassador but the daughter of one of the guys who got kicked out by Chavez

You think the US went to war because of the girl/incubator comments alone?

I doubt the US will make any moves in Venezuela based only on this girls comments. 

Manipulation of the media is not something new.

do you honestly not understand?

they aren't lying to make the govt do anything, the govt already wants to overthrow the Venezuelan govt to take their oil
they are lying to make the populous be in favor of it by throwing out lies about whats going on there...

seriously what do you think would make it easier to win support for overthrowing another govt?
A) to take their natural resources
OR
B) to overthrow an oppressive dictator whose making the people there suffer?

when the populous believes a lie it makes it easier to push for things based on that lie

[brewer]

You think the US went to war because of the girl/incubator comments alone?

I doubt the US will make any moves in Venezuela based only on this girls comments. 

Manipulation of the media is not something new.

do you honestly not understand?

they aren't lying to make the govt do anything, the govt already wants to overthrow the Venezuelan govt to take their oil
they are lying to make the populous be in favor of it by throwing out lies about whats going on there...

seriously what do you think would make it easier to win support for overthrowing another govt?
A) to take their natural resources
OR
B) to overthrow an oppressive dictator whose making the people there suffer?

when the populous believes a lie it makes it easier to push for things based on that lie

I understand completely. I'm part of the populous and don't believe everything the media publishes. 

Who do you think should be in control of what the media publishes?

[downbeatplumb]

You think the US went to war because of the girl/incubator comments alone?

I doubt the US will make any moves in Venezuela based only on this girls comments. 

Manipulation of the media is not something new.

do you honestly not understand?

they aren't lying to make the govt do anything, the govt already wants to overthrow the Venezuelan govt to take their oil
they are lying to make the populous be in favor of it by throwing out lies about whats going on there...

seriously what do you think would make it easier to win support for overthrowing another govt?
A) to take their natural resources
OR
B) to overthrow an oppressive dictator whose making the people there suffer?

when the populous believes a lie it makes it easier to push for things based on that lie

Indeed which is why mainstream media should be listened to more than unverifiable "sources" and opinion pieces that have no accountability.

If the mainstream media reports something that is not factual eventually they will be held to task for it, but the sources on non mainstream media can say what ever shit they like with zero accountability, its why you have the rise in anti vaxxers and flat earthers. Bullshit is given the same weight as actual news.

Its also how you end up with Brexit and trump.

[Cepheus Ace]

they lied about Iraq...

Who did? About what, exactly? It would be much easier answering your question if you could provide some specifics and perhaps even citations.

how many of them lost their jobs? oh right the ones who lost their jobs were the people who were against war with Iraq
they lied about the groups in the middle east the US arms calling them moderate rebels when they are in fact blatantly jihadist extremists... did anyone of them sloe their jobs over this?
Fox news lies a lot more and how many of them actually lost their jobs because of the lies?

Again, be more specific. I don't feel like arguing against vague claims.
need anything else?

All I know is that dozens of actual professional journalists are killed every year, while doing their jobs in dangerous places. Most of those people work for "mainstream media", not for some Alex Jones types, who get their information from... where exactly? Because they sure aren't reporting from the war-zones...

https://fair.org/take-action/media-advis...the-media/

[Homeless Nutter]

https://fair.org/take-action/media-advis...the-media/

OK. So, you're telling me that there are organizations that keep tabs on what "mainstream media" reports? Interesting. Now, could you point me to similar resources, that list the lies, errors and spin on YouTube and Facebook blogs? Well, then I guess mainstream media IS different, after all.

When some bullsh*t is shown on mainstream media, everyone potentially can see it, record it and react to it. Fake news on social media is specifically targeted at people, who are most likely to accept it as truth, while people of opposing political views don't see it and don't even know of its existence, unless they actively seek it. And why would they look for information, that contradicts their views, if their favorite youtuber already tells them everything they need to know?

Anyway, that's a long laundry list, that you linked to, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to prove. It mentions a lot of mainstream articles criticizing the war, as well as plenty of political pundits, like Bill O'Reily, repeating information received from officials, speculating and putting spin on things - not actually lying. Most actual misinformation comes from the authorities and - from what I skimmed - is usually reported as such. And - as I mentioned - we all know, that media - especially american - went ape-sh*t after 911, because the whole country went ape-sh*t and the whole world saw it. On mainstream media...

There's no denying, that there are plenty of bad journalists out there, just like there are bad doctors, bad cops, and bad bankers. That doesn't mean we should switch to alternatives, because blogging, quackery, vigilantism and keeping your money in the mattress are not going to solve the problems we're having.

[Cepheus Ace]

https://fair.org/take-action/media-advis...the-media/

OK. So, you're telling me that there are organizations that keep tabs on what "mainstream media" reports? Interesting. Now, could you point me to similar resources, that list the lies, errors and spin on YouTube and Facebook blogs? Well, then I guess mainstream media IS different, after all.

When some bullsh*t is shown on mainstream media, everyone potentially can see it, record it and react to it. Fake news on social media is specifically targeted at people, who are most likely to accept it as truth, while people of opposing political views don't see it and don't even know of its existence, unless they actively seek it. And why would they look for information, that contradicts their views, if their favorite youtuber already tells them everything they need to know?

Anyway, that's a long laundry list, that you linked to, but I'm not sure what it's supposed to prove. It mentions a lot of mainstream articles criticizing the war, as well as plenty of political pundits, like Bill O'Reily, repeating information received from officials, speculating and putting spin on things - not actually lying. Most actual misinformation comes from the authorities and the information - from what I skimmed - is usually reported as such. And - as I mentioned - we all know, that media - especially american - went ape-sh*t after 911, because the whole country went ape-sh*t and the whole world saw it. On mainstream media...

There's no denying, that there are plenty of bad journalists out there, just like there are bad doctors, bad cops, and bad bankers. That doesn't mean we should switch to alternatives, because blogging, quackery, vigilantism and keeping your money in the mattress are not going to solve the problems we're having.

these fake news facebook pages, youtube channels, blogs etc are popular because of the failings of mainstream media.

[brewer]

Who did? About what, exactly? It would be much easier answering your question if you could provide some specifics and perhaps even citations.


Again, be more specific. I don't feel like arguing against vague claims.
need anything else?

All I know is that dozens of actual professional journalists are killed every year, while doing their jobs in dangerous places. Most of those people work for "mainstream media", not for some Alex Jones types, who get their information from... where exactly? Because they sure aren't reporting from the war-zones...

https://fair.org/take-action/media-advis...the-media/

Ah....... the Bush II war. The US/Bush was going to retaliate for 9/11, Iraq was the easy target. Blame Bush, not the media. 

I see you think the "mainstream media" is failing. What is your fix? Or is this just a rant?