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[Serious] Comfort in Faith at Death
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(July 19, 2019 at 12:57 pm)Shell B Wrote:
(July 19, 2019 at 1:04 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Thank you, she was as good as they come as many mothers are to their children. Mom was special to everyone that met her, so was dad they were an incredible pair made just for each other. I do find myself wishing I had asked more questions from both of them, hind sight sometimes is no help at all, that's why I try to pass it on to others. There is a heaven that I'm 100% sure of.

GC

I certainly won't debate the existence of heaven, since we both know where we stand on the topic, but I'm glad my mother believed she was going there. I even hope she made it to the heaven she believed in, because it sounded like a cool place.

I have regrets, but I don't think she'd want me to.

 Mom's never want us to regret because they know that worry takes time from the better things in life. I'm sorry I did not realize she had already passed. I'm am sorry for the loss of someone so important in your life. Time helps but never completely heals, it distance us from the event that causes so much pain and in that way it helps us to cope along with the understanding we gather through growth in life. I hope for the best in the future.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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She passed a few weeks ago. It's already been too long without her.
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My condolences Shell. Aside all nonsense and my bad words in the past.
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Thank you, LP.
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So very sorry for your loss She’ll.

There have been times when I envied people with the faith to believe in a heaven and eternal life there. BUT when the more Fundamental Southern Baptist zealot-like members of my family were in anguish at the “knowledge” that my brother has surely gone to hell as a result of his suicide, I found some degree of comfort in my own “knowledge” as an atheist that he is just.....gone.
Where are we going and why am I in this hand basket?
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(July 22, 2019 at 2:09 pm)Shell B Wrote: She passed a few weeks ago. It's already been too long without her.

 I understand what you are saying, stay strong and keep the best memories up front. I know you will do fine as time passes.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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(July 23, 2019 at 12:34 am)outtathereligioncloset Wrote: So very sorry for your loss She’ll.

There have been times when I envied people with the faith to believe in a heaven and eternal life there. BUT when the more Fundamental Southern Baptist zealot-like members of my family were in anguish at the “knowledge” that my brother has surely gone to hell as a result of his suicide, I found some degree of comfort in my own “knowledge” as an atheist that he is just.....gone.

I’m so sorry you went through both of those horrible things. I find comfort in knowing the end is really the end too. I’m just also really glad that my mom found comfort in heaven.
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(July 23, 2019 at 12:34 am)outtathereligioncloset Wrote: There have been times when I envied people with the faith to believe in a heaven and eternal life there.  BUT when the more Fundamental Southern Baptist zealot-like members of my family were in anguish at the “knowledge” that my brother has surely gone to hell as a result of his suicide, I found some degree of comfort in my own “knowledge” as an atheist that he is just.....gone.

As a side note, not all fundamentalists (arguably, not MOST) believe you can lose your salvation under any circumstance. The teaching that suicide is "the unpardonable sin" (as opposed to all the other things it's been equated with, from masturbation to simple unbelief) is in my experience mostly a product of the holiness movement, particularly of old-line Pentecostals. David Wilkerson of The Cross and The Switchblade fame taught this in an effort to prevent suicides among drug users he was ministering to, for example.

I came out of IFCA churches (Bible churches) and this would not have been a cause of agony for anyone in those kinds of churches. We had other things to torment ourselves with, of course.

Sorry for the loss of your brother, particularly in that way. I lost a brother to a freak cancer, and that was bad enough. To my point above about having other things to torment ourselves with, my brother was so inconsolable at his diagnosis ... and was convinced that his life of righteous living and church leadership had not atoned for the sins of his youth. Those, in turn, were relatively pedestrian things that he was convinced god still held against him. Such as having sex outside of marriage or getting drunk.

Each religion seems to find its own unique way to turn the screws of guilt and shame ...
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RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
(July 22, 2019 at 2:09 pm)Shell B Wrote: She passed a few weeks ago. It's already been too long without her.

That mostly ceases, but only mostly. Mine died in 2008. Sometimes people fear that they will forget. You never do. It just gets easier to move on with life. Be strong. You will be.
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(July 23, 2019 at 10:30 am)mordant Wrote:
(July 23, 2019 at 12:34 am)outtathereligioncloset Wrote: There have been times when I envied people with the faith to believe in a heaven and eternal life there.  BUT when the more Fundamental Southern Baptist zealot-like members of my family were in anguish at the “knowledge” that my brother has surely gone to hell as a result of his suicide, I found some degree of comfort in my own “knowledge” as an atheist that he is just.....gone.

As a side note, not all fundamentalists (arguably, not MOST) believe you can lose your salvation under any circumstance. The teaching that suicide is "the unpardonable sin" (as opposed to all the other things it's been equated with, from masturbation to simple unbelief) is in my experience mostly a product of the holiness movement, particularly of old-line Pentecostals. David Wilkerson of The Cross and The Switchblade fame taught this in an effort to prevent suicides among drug users he was ministering to, for example.

I came out of IFCA churches (Bible churches) and this would not have been a cause of agony for anyone in those kinds of churches. We had other things to torment ourselves with, of course.

Sorry for the loss of your brother, particularly in that way. I lost a brother to a freak cancer, and that was bad enough. To my point above about having other things to torment ourselves with, my brother was so inconsolable at his diagnosis ... and was convinced that his life of righteous living and church leadership had not atoned for the sins of his youth. Those, in turn, were relatively pedestrian things that he was convinced god still held against him. Such as having sex outside of marriage or getting drunk.

Each religion seems to find its own unique way to turn the screws of guilt and shame ...

 Please do not misunderstand, I'm not trying to say derogatory things about your brother just have a statement to make. 
If your brother was part of IFCA then he did not take seriously the doctrine taught, the doctrine says that Christ alone saves through the atonement of our sins because of His shed blood and death, not what we have done or are currently doing. We are human and will make mistakes (ie. sin), if any of us could be sinless then Jesus would not have had to sacrifice His life for us. Some churches within a denomination will try and scare people into believing and it's ridiculous. I believe they do so because they lean on their understanding of the scriptures instead of leaning on God.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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