Open borders

[onlinebiker]

I actually do want open borders.  : shrugs :

It’s good for law enforcement, especially interdiction.

Though you haven’t really given any reason why we’d need to have open borders if we decided not to do any of the number of shitty things we’re doing.

An honest answer. Amazing.

10 points for honesty.


-300 or so points for being a good idea.

We need open immigration - That's highly controlled.

That's a whole lot tougher to do.

[The Grand Nudger]

I’ve been giving you honest answers the entire time dipshit, lol

Honest answers to duplicitous questions is kind of my thing.

[Cecelia]

If I ever get a wife...pretty unlikely...I'll try not to start beating her so that I have to stop.

That's not on topic...and won't be moderated.  So be it.  Rah, fucking rah.

It's completely on topic.  Onlinebiker's question is a loaded question (not to mention a false dichotomy).  Why should one ever answer a question phrased as such?

"Open Borders" is racist codespeak for "We don't want latinx people here".   They'll claim not to be anti-immigration, but given every turn they will defend the corrupt system instead of looking for solutions.  Mostly because they don't see the system as a problem, they see it as working just fine.

Someone truly interested in discussing the problems wouldn't merely sit on their thumbs and bring up "Open Borders!" as a response to everything, as if the only choices are:  A. Concentration Camps or B. Open borders

I'll take B every time over A, though.  But then again I'm not a racist.

[LadyForCamus]

@onlinebiker

You want to talk about the enforcement of immigration law. So, let’s talk about it. Is it a fair and reasonable law that allows toddlers to represent themselves at their hearings? You’d like to know what the point is of having these laws in the first place if they aren’t enforced. A valid counterpoint to that question is “are the laws fair in the first place”? Can you respond to that counterpoint without deflecting?

Using that sort of logic leads to - we better let everybody out of prison because innocent people sometimes end up in prison.

Well, no. I believe that’s a slippery slope fallacy. We could most certainly work toward immigration law reform with the goal of fairness in mind without “letting everyone out of prison”. As I said, I’m not well-versed on the topic, but let’s keep our reasoning sound.

Now - I answered your question.

Answer mine.

Should people who have been given a hearing and were rejected be deported?

Honestly? I simply don’t know. I am too ignorant of the details of this particular subject to say with any confidence one way or the other. I wouldn’t be able to support my position. What little I do know, it seems like many of these laws are unfair. Toddlers representing themselves? really? I see your point; why have laws if we won’t enforce them? I also see the other side; why continue to enforce shitty laws? Or, why aren’t we doing anything to improve them? That’s kind of why I’m following this thread. To hopefully learn a bit. But, everyone is just pissing on each other.

[onlinebiker]

If I ever get a wife...pretty unlikely...I'll try not to start beating her so that I have to stop.

That's not on topic...and won't be moderated.  So be it.  Rah, fucking rah.

It's completely on topic.  Onlinebiker's question is a loaded question (not to mention a false dichotomy).  Why should one ever answer a question phrased as such?

"Open Borders" is racist codespeak for "We don't want latinx people here".   They'll claim not to be anti-immigration, but given every turn they will defend the corrupt system instead of looking for solutions.  Mostly because they don't see the system as a problem, they see it as working just fine.

Someone truly interested in discussing the problems wouldn't merely sit on their thumbs and bring up "Open Borders!" as a response to everything, as if the only choices are:  A. Concentration Camps or B. Open borders

I'll take B every time over A, though.  But then again I'm not a racist.

So anybody that doesn't agree with you is racist.


Wow...

I guess that makes you the Greewich Mean of tolerance or something....


How impressive.

[LadyForCamus]

Have you stopped beating your wife?

If I ever get a wife...pretty unlikely...I'll try not to start beating her so that I have to stop.

That's not on topic...and won't be moderated.  So be it.  Rah, fucking rah.

I think Cecilia is confusing you with bennyboy, lol.

[Cecelia]

So anybody that doesn't agree with you is racist.


Wow...

I guess that makes you the Greewich Mean of tolerance or something....


How impressive.

Anyone who favors concentration camps over open borders is racist, yes.  I don't think that's a very high standard.

Like... you can actually be against both, but you've set up a scenario where that's not possible.

[arewethereyet]

If I ever get a wife...pretty unlikely...I'll try not to start beating her so that I have to stop.

That's not on topic...and won't be moderated.  So be it.  Rah, fucking rah.

I think Cecilia is confusing you with bennyboy, lol.

That's just dandy.  I feel a lot better now.

[Brian37]

Using that sort of logic leads to - we better let everybody out of prison because innocent people sometimes end up in prison.

Well, no. I believe that’s a slippery slope fallacy. We could most certainly work toward immigration law reform with the goal of fairness in mind without “letting everyone out of prison”. As I said, I’m not well-versed on the topic, but let’s keep our reasoning sound.

Now - I answered your question.

Answer mine.

Should people who have been given a hearing and were rejected be deported?

Honestly? I simply don’t know. I am too ignorant of the details of this particular subject to say with any confidence one way or the other. I wouldn’t be able to support my position. What little I do know, it seems like many of these laws are unfair. Toddlers representing themselves? really? I see your point; why have laws if we won’t enforce them? I also see the other side; why continue to enforce shitty laws? Or, why aren’t we doing anything to improve them? That’s kind of why I’m following this thread. To hopefully learn a bit. But, everyone is just pissing on each other.

You cant address details if the climate of politics is toxic.

I think it is a pretty bad climate when a lawyer is in front of a panel of judges trying to defend the fact that kids didn't have tooth paste or blankets for days and weeks. I think you'd agree with me we got here because of one party and one man and the vile "zero tolerance" policy. 

Cant address the details if the boss running everything is a bully.

And yes, I am pissing on Trump and the GOP because they are responsible.

[Amarok]

Are you auditioning for the part of Dr Evil ?



Says the man who has essentially used the same comment twice and really who's whole posting history might as well be the same comment .



Don't address your dishonest question because we see right through you 




Base our judgement on past experience of dealing with your bullshit 


Nah will pat ourselves on the back for not humoring your dishonest question 


You should go there then you can ask disingenuous questions and act like an asshole with the fundies .I'm sure you will fit right in . Say hi to all the fundie  assholes we kicked off this forum.

I " see right through you" too...


You' re a twat with a screen door...

You couldn't see through a magnifying glass 

Nope that's just you projecting

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So anybody that doesn't agree with you is racist.

Only you're deluded enough to make that conclusion 

I guess that makes you the Greewich Mean of tolerance or something....

No but this comment makes you the Donald Trump of commenting 

How impressive.

Yes you stupidity is very impressive

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So anybody that doesn't agree with you is racist.


Wow...

I guess that makes you the Greewich Mean of tolerance or something....


How impressive.

Anyone who favors concentration camps over open borders is racist, yes.  I don't think that's a very high standard.

Like... you can actually be against both, but you've set up a scenario where that's not possible.

Apparently if you disagree with racism and concentration camps your not tolerant