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El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)
#31
RE: El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)
(August 4, 2019 at 8:15 am)onlinebiker Wrote:
(August 4, 2019 at 8:11 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I'm playing the long game here. Eventually you will run out. Its better than the "just let everyone die" approach that is there at the moment.

Anyone who is willing to trade off their liberties for a little safety will have nor deserve either. Ben Franklin

An unarmed populous - and an orange haired dictator...


Gee what could POSSIBLY go wrong there?

You understand that Franklin wasn't talking about gun rights, correct?  He was defending that right of an elected body to tax and to govern in the interests of collective security. The quote has almost nothing to do with individual, personal security.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#32
RE: El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)
FBI statistics say the majority of mass shooters are white single males with a history of violrnce and mental health issues.

There is no mention by the FBI of white supremecy being a factor.

Where did you draw that " fact" from?
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#33
RE: El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)
(August 4, 2019 at 8:32 am)onlinebiker Wrote: FBI statistics say the majority of mass shooters are white single males with a history of violrnce and mental health issues.

There is no mention by the FBI of white supremecy being a factor.

Where did you draw that " fact" from?

This is a good start:

https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2018

Quote:The extremist-related murders in 2018 were overwhelmingly linked to right-wing extremists.  Every one of the perpetrators had ties to at least one right-wing extremist movement, although one had recently switched to supporting Islamist extremism. White supremacists were responsible for the great majority of the killings, which is typically the case.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#34
RE: El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)
(August 4, 2019 at 8:37 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(August 4, 2019 at 8:32 am)onlinebiker Wrote: FBI statistics say the majority of mass shooters are white single males with a history of violrnce and mental health issues.

There is no mention by the FBI of white supremecy being a factor.

Where did you draw that " fact" from?

This is a good start:

https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2018

Quote:The extremist-related murders in 2018 were overwhelmingly linked to right-wing extremists.  Every one of the perpetrators had ties to at least one right-wing extremist movement, although one had recently switched to supporting Islamist extremism. White supremacists were responsible for the great majority of the killings, which is typically the case.

Boru
Ahhh. So the FBI is in on the conspiracy and is covering it up!

Damned good to know...
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#35
RE: El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)
Siri Gibberish translator, " I am just a scared self entitled man who for decades has been needlessly scared by one industry. I am not interested in solving problems".
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#36
RE: El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)
(August 3, 2019 at 4:52 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:
(August 3, 2019 at 4:49 pm)Brian37 Wrote: That is what is truly scary about our conservatives. They can have Reagan shot, and their own GOP congressmen shot at a baseball game, and their solution is to keep protecting the profits of corporations instead of putting public safety first.
Got a solution?

Look at Irish gun law and implement it (albeit with more people processing the licence applications). Our gun laws are a lot more sane and less destructive than yours.

But then you're not interested in actual solutions are you. They'd only remove your beloved penis substitutes.
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#37
RE: El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)
(August 4, 2019 at 7:36 am)onlinebiker Wrote:
(August 4, 2019 at 3:54 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Yes, take away your toys. You won't like it, the firearms industry will be devistated, but mass murder every few weeks will become much more unlikely.
I suppose you will grumble about your "rights to be able to shoot stuff" but what about the "right not to be killed by some nutter with a gun"?
Are you so insecure that you can't feel "manly" without a weapon?

Good luck with that.


You might want to practice.


Start with trying to take away food from a hungry pitbull.... Work your way up to a hungry badger then a hungry bear.
When you master that - you' re still not quite going to be ready for a gun owning American.

So you agree that you don't have the balls to face the world without a gun?
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups

Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!

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#38
RE: El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)
(August 4, 2019 at 8:47 am)Nomad Wrote:
(August 3, 2019 at 4:52 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Got a solution?

Look at Irish gun law and implement it (albeit with more people processing the licence applications).  Our gun laws are a lot more sane and less destructive than yours.

But then you're not interested in actual solutions are you.  They'd only remove your beloved penis substitutes.

Much like NZ.  Anyone over the age of 16 can get a gun, but there are certain hoops that have to be jumped through first.  People under 16 can go shooting and/or hunting, but there has to be a licensed gun owner present.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#39
RE: El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)
(August 4, 2019 at 8:47 am)Nomad Wrote:
(August 3, 2019 at 4:52 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Got a solution?

Look at Irish gun law and implement it (albeit with more people processing the licence applications).  Our gun laws are a lot more sane and less destructive than yours.

But then you're not interested in actual solutions are you.  They'd only remove your beloved penis substitutes.

I love how the anti gun types automatically draw imaginary paralels between guns and a lack of virility - and assume the gun owner is " fearful".

I guess that's all they got.

Change it up once in a while. Make some snide remarks about their spouses of infer they have poor parentage. 


Jerkoff
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#40
RE: El Paso Shooting (Yes, Again)
(August 4, 2019 at 8:37 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(August 4, 2019 at 8:32 am)onlinebiker Wrote: FBI statistics say the majority of mass shooters are white single males with a history of violrnce and mental health issues.

There is no mention by the FBI of white supremecy being a factor.

Where did you draw that " fact" from?

This is a good start:

https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2018

Quote:The extremist-related murders in 2018 were overwhelmingly linked to right-wing extremists.  Every one of the perpetrators had ties to at least one right-wing extremist movement, although one had recently switched to supporting Islamist extremism. White supremacists were responsible for the great majority of the killings, which is typically the case.

Boru

Yeah white supremacy is a "mental illness" while violent Islam is ideology - give me a break.

There is also this interesting article


Quote:Donald Trump, right-wing terrorism and the rise of the ‘white power’ movement

This incident is not an isolated one. Contrary to the “lone wolf” narrative about right-wing terrorism, the Christchurch massacre was the work of a global right-wing movement that exchanges information and resources, radicalizing and indoctrinating vulnerable white people in the United States, Europe, and elsewhere. This “white power” movement is extremely dangerous: In addition to the recent events in New Zealand, there have been deadly attacks in the U.S., Britain, Canada, Norway and Sweden, among other places.

The overt white supremacy of the white power movement does not remain isolated to that subculture. This hate metastasizes and infects “mainstream” conservative political discourse, leaders and the general public. There are many such examples.

The extreme hostility to nonwhite immigrants espoused by the broader white power movement has been massaged and repackaged into the policy positions of Donald Trump and the Republican Party.

On a near daily basis Fox News host Tucker Carlson summons talking points and narratives from white supremacist and other right-wing hate sites and spoon-feeds that poison to his eager audience. Derrick Black, a former white supremacist and the son of a Ku Klux Klan leader, told CNN last Saturday: “It’s really, really alarming that my family watches Tucker Carlson’s show once and then watches it on the replay because they feel that he is making the white nationalist talking points better than they have, and they’re trying to get some tips on how to advance it.”

The white power movement has done a very good job at disguising how it is really a social movement. Part of this subterfuge is done through the “lone gunman” narrative, where the crimes are then viewed as isolated events. Even after the horrible attacks in Charlottesville, there is still a tendency among journalists to divide these events up from one another. The result is that the Tree of Life synagogue mass shooting in Pittsburgh is reported as somehow being different than the Coast Guard officer’s assassination list and all the weapons he was hoarding to carry out his attacks, and those in turn are different from the New Zealand mosque attacks.

And so on. Read whole article
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/donald-...-movement/
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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