Shot in her own home!

[onlinebiker]

And the more people treat the cops as the enemy - the more the sane, levelheaded officers decide to find other employment -- and the more departments will be forced to hire shitheads, nutcases and morons.

Everybody loses.

HOLY FUCK THIS IS SOOOOO NOT THE POINT!

Blacks do not want to fear cops, and nobody here wants anyone to fear cops.

Saying what the cop did was wrong, ISN'T calling for fear of cops, but change in conditions so things like this do not happen.

I want cops myself. I want cops to make it home alive too. But I do not want our current climate of mistrust. And it isn't just a black mistrust of cops. Or did you forget the Cliven Bundy couple Tea Party nuts who murdered two cops in a food joint then walked across to a Walmart and murdered a concealed carry civilian trying to play Dirty Harry?

Blacks do not want cops to be the enemy. Otherwise why did her black neighbor call the police? He didn't do that because he mistrusted the cops, he did that because he wanted a welfare check on his neighbor.



How the fuck does a welfare check give a cop a licence to fire into a home from outside?

Nobody said anything of the sort you overwound twat.

[Brian37]

And the more people treat the cops as the enemy - the more the sane, levelheaded officers decide to find other employment -- and the more departments will be forced to hire shitheads, nutcases and morons.

Everybody loses.

"Don't trust the cops? Call 9-1-1 and ask the dispatcher to send you a hipster."

YOU OLB, YOUR WORDS, "And the more people treat the cops as the enemy, the more the sane, level headed officers decide to find other employment, and the more departments will be forced to hire shitheads, nutcases and morons."

I am not taking that out of context. 

NOBODY wants anyone to treat cops as the enemy! But THE BLACK NEIGHBOR, is certainly going to think twice next time knowing he wasn't accusing her of a crime, but wanted cops to check out and make sure a crime was not being committed against her which is what a welfare check is.

Sure as hell sounds like you are saying, "shit happens, but if we don't let that shit happen, nobody will want to be cops."

BULLSHIT ARGUMENT.

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We cannot continue to allow a climate of fear to excuse split second death.

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And the more people treat the cops as the enemy - the more the sane, levelheaded officers decide to find other employment -- and the more departments will be forced to hire shitheads, nutcases and morons.

Everybody loses.

Well, cases like this one doesn't help the law enforcement reputation over there. He should be punished for his crime or there is a law that allows cops over there to shoot first and ask questions later? The cop could have stayed behind cover and yell "This is the police!, Identify yourself!".

You need training for that?

Well, the ignorant right would argue we didn't see the entire tape, and a gun was found in the house.

I've heard noises outside my house at night not knowing what they were. If the TV is on, which from reports which claim they were playing video games, even if someone had knocked on the door or said, "police", that background noise could have confused her. 

I don't see any excuse for what he did. But if one wants to give him benefit of the doubt, it still amounts to our current climate of fear first, shoot first, which is a horrible climate.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

"Don't trust the cops? Call 9-1-1 and ask the dispatcher to send you a hipster."

YOU OLB, YOUR WORDS, "And the more people treat the cops as the enemy, the more the sane, level headed officers decide to find other employment, and the more departments will be forced to hire shitheads, nutcases and morons."

I am not taking that out of context. 

NOBODY wants anyone to treat cops as the enemy! But THE BLACK NEIGHBOR, is certainly going to think twice next time knowing he wasn't accusing her of a crime, but wanted cops to check out and make sure a crime was not being committed against her which is what a welfare check is.

Sure as hell sounds like you are saying, "shit happens, but if we don't let that shit happen, nobody will want to be cops."

BULLSHIT ARGUMENT.

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We cannot continue to allow a climate of fear to excuse split second death.

I think what OLB means is that bad cops (like the one under discussion) cause people to fear cops.  He didn't say that people want cops to be feared, but - more and more - that's becoming a reality because of bad cops.

This strikes me as a perfectly valid point.

Boru

[Brian37]

YOU OLB, YOUR WORDS, "And the more people treat the cops as the enemy, the more the sane, level headed officers decide to find other employment, and the more departments will be forced to hire shitheads, nutcases and morons."

I am not taking that out of context. 

NOBODY wants anyone to treat cops as the enemy! But THE BLACK NEIGHBOR, is certainly going to think twice next time knowing he wasn't accusing her of a crime, but wanted cops to check out and make sure a crime was not being committed against her which is what a welfare check is.

Sure as hell sounds like you are saying, "shit happens, but if we don't let that shit happen, nobody will want to be cops."

BULLSHIT ARGUMENT.

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We cannot continue to allow a climate of fear to excuse split second death.

I think what OLB means is that bad cops (like the one under discussion) cause people to fear cops.  He didn't say that people want cops to be feared, but - more and more - that's becoming a reality because of bad cops.

This strikes me as a perfectly valid point.

Boru

Still not the point.

This guy could be a macho bully, or he could be simply trained to shoot first, and in our current climate that is what most cops are trained to do, assume the worst. 

But I am tired of this argument on his part and it is not the first time I have seen this.

LONG TERM CONDITIONS, not one officer, not one case, but conditions.

Some officers get into the job to play tough guy, and others get into it because they honestly want to serve and protect, but the training either way, is to fear first and shoot first. And that needs to change.

[onlinebiker]

Brian thinks it's cool to hate cops.


That's where he comes up with such cunt statements as "the cops hsve a license to shoot into your house".

Stupid, reactionary bullshit that carries all the weight of arguement of a teenage girl pitching a hissy fit.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I think what OLB means is that bad cops (like the one under discussion) cause people to fear cops.  He didn't say that people want cops to be feared, but - more and more - that's becoming a reality because of bad cops.

This strikes me as a perfectly valid point.

Boru

Still not the point.

This guy could be a macho bully, or he could be simply trained to shoot first, and in our current climate that is what most cops are trained to do, assume the worst. 

But I am tired of this argument on his part and it is not the first time I have seen this.

LONG TERM CONDITIONS, not one officer, not one case, but conditions.

Some officers get into the job to play tough guy, and others get into it because they honestly want to serve and protect, but the training either way, is to fear first and shoot first. And that needs to change.

Exactly right, and those are the bad cops creating fear about police officers. 

Judas Priest on a two stroke moped, Brian.  Do you ever listen to yourself?

Boru

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's okay for liberals to hate cops.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It's okay for liberals to hate cops.

I must be a bad liberal, then.  I don't hate cops. Cops are perfectly fine, upstanding public servants.

Unless, you know, they pull ME over, then they're a bunch of goose-stepping Fascist thugs.

Boru

[LastPoet]

No disagreement here. The officer who did the shooting should do time. 

No. He should not have yelled from cover.


He should have knocked on the door.

I was thinking from the POV that cops over there might get shot at easily, but I agree. Better knock and announce as the police. Its what they do over here.

[onlinebiker]

It's okay for liberals to hate cops.

I must be a bad liberal, then.  I don't hate cops.

Boru

Then where do you come up with such mind bogglingly negative shit as saying cops have " license to shoot into your home"?

You take the actions of a tiny subset of a group abd infer they all act that way.

That's hateful stereotyping.