10 Syllogistic arguments for Gods existence

[WinterHold]

The big picture betrays your theory: when you look at the universe as a whole it proves itself to be very fragile, the Cosmic Web is a fragile thing. If the universe has no creator protecting it, it will be torn like a spider's web in the chaos resulting from the big bang.


To you too

 ? The reality aroud us is 'Fragile' ?

Really?

 Also, you are saying your position initially was not revolving around human's "Uniquness"?

 So, please correct my innitial respons ideas. Expand etc.

Please explain/expand upn the 'Fragility' of reality.

Also, I must keep reminding myself that English is not your first language.

Cheers.

Not at work.

Yes it is. Any change in the universal ratios is enough to end the universe.
I will provide example on the fragility: The Butterfly Effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

Though English is a second language; thankfully I know enough to get me by

Cheers to you too

[The Architect Of Fate]

es it is. Any change in the universal ratios is enough to end the universe.

I will provide example on the fragility: The Butterfly Effect

Assertion

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es it is. Any change in the universal ratios is enough to end the universe.

I will provide example on the fragility: The Butterfly Effect

Assertion

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

 ? The reality aroud us is 'Fragile' ?

Really?

 Also, you are saying your position initially was not revolving around human's "Uniquness"?

 So, please correct my innitial respons ideas. Expand etc.

Please explain/expand upn the 'Fragility' of reality.

Also, I must keep reminding myself that English is not your first language.

Cheers.

Not at work.

Yes it is. Any change in the universal ratios is enough to end the universe.
I will provide example on the fragility: The Butterfly Effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

Though English is a second language; thankfully I know enough to get me by

Cheers to you too

Ah! The 'What if the rest state of the electron/proton or neutron changes? Or something about them is not constant?' question.

Yes, it's a good question to think about [i]but[/i,] I would add, the sort of question that the lay-men (Such as ourselves) can do little more than look on from the side lines as those properly grounded in the subject hash out such things.

The 'Butterfly effect' simply refers to 'Chaos'.... As well, perhaps, Godel's incompleteness theorem.

Nothing really reality shattering in things that are totally unpredictable.

Since, as fractals and such show, even from chaos..... can produce a sort of 'Order' and patterns.

Cheers.

[no one]

To the original poster, I just spoke with god. god said you have to turn over all your earthly belongings to me. And that you must work several jobs so I can maintain my imagined high roller lifestyle. god said you have 48 hours to comply.

[Deesse23]

So what?
The Cosmos probably consists of an infinite number of universes of whom some are without life, some are without matter, some probably collapsed right after *spawning* (big bang).......and one maybe has matter, dark matter, dark energy and life.

So.fucking.what?

The Multiverse -  reasons, why it's not a good explanation for the existence of our fine-tuned universe.


The task of a multiverse generator
The smallness of the cosmological constant is widely regarded as the single the greatest problem confronting current physics and cosmology. The cosmological constant acts as a repulsive force, causing space to expand and, when negative, acts as an attractive force, causing space to contract. To get our universe, this constant must be right amongst 10^123 possibilities. That means that the probability that our universe contains galaxies is akin to exactly 1 possibility in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 . Unlikely doesn’t even begin to describe these odds. There are “only” 10^81 atoms in the observable universe, after all. Thirty billion years contains only 10^18 seconds. By totaling those, we find that the maximum elementary particle events in 30 billion years could only be 10^143.

Now let's suppose there was a multiverse generator. He would have had to make up to 10^123 attempts to get one universe with the right expansion rate. He would have made 10^18 attempts after 30 billion years.
Once he had that right, to get a universe with atoms, he would have to make the following number of trials:
the right Ratio of Electrons: Protons 1:10^37
Ratio of Electromagnetic Force: Gravity 1:10^40
If a multiverse generator existed, he must have been VERY busy in the last trillion trillion trillion years to get out only our universe......
does that make sense?

You find large numbers maybe impressive, i dont. Maybe its because i am an engineer and you an ignoramus who is easily impressed (as evidenced by your BS writings).

Maybe it needed 1^google universes to make ours.

So.fucking.what

Since space-time only exists some planck time after a big bang and not during universe generation, there is no time for 1^google tries of triggering big bangs. So, as you see, time is of no issue on that level, since it doesnt necessarily exist. Yet i doubt you have the intellectual capacity nor the intellectual honesty to acknowldge this. So by all means, keep bombarding us with large numbers if thats what makes you rock hard. 

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Yes it is. Any change in the universal ratios is enough to end the universe.
I will provide example on the fragility: The Butterfly Effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

Though English is a second language; thankfully I know enough to get me by

Cheers to you too

Butterlfy effect has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with fine tuning and likelihood of physical constants.

Please stop reading fairy tales (like your holy book) and educate yourself (properly).

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The Multiverse -  reasons, why it's not a good explanation for the existence of our fine-tuned universe.

Question begging in the title. Thats all we need to know about your argument.

[Mister Agenda]

"Intelligent Design" is the strongest indication of a "Personal God". The smallest change in ratios can lead the whole universe to crumble; we as humans know how complicated and sensitive creations get the larger they are; take airplanes to spacecrafts.

The universe is intelligently designed to allow for life. We as humans, are made of stardust. The chance for stardust to organize itself into a human being with social life, capable of speaking with different languages and has diverse skin colors, made alive under a moon and a sun rotating is 0 without a helping hand.

Why would Allah need to design a universe to accommodate us? Can we not live in any universe Allah chooses? So out of the infinite possible universes to have us in, why make one where we require highly specific conditions to exist? Allah could have us living on a neutron star if he wanted, right?

[WinterHold]

Ah! The 'What if the rest state of the electron/proton or neutron changes? Or something about them is not constant?' question.

Yes, it's a good question to think about [i]but[/i,] I would add, the sort of question that the lay-men (Such as ourselves) can do little more than look on from the side lines as those properly grounded in the subject hash out such things.

The 'Butterfly effect' simply refers to 'Chaos'.... As well, perhaps, Godel's incompleteness theorem.

Nothing really reality shattering in things that are totally unpredictable.

Since, as fractals and such show, even from chaos..... can produce a sort of 'Order' and patterns.

Cheers.

"Butterfly Effect" shows the massive amount of fragility in our reality; nothing too "mighty" would change because of something so small.

Let me justify this thought: the universe is what it is today and "we" are what we are today, is because certain and specific events led to our reality. 

In other words we exist. Something pulled the strings and sparked the events that would lead to a big bang that would throw out the universe we see today.

If this universe is strong, then how is it so variable like a paste?

[The Grand Nudger]

Is it, though? You done any universe string pulling recently?

[WinterHold]

"Intelligent Design" is the strongest indication of a "Personal God". The smallest change in ratios can lead the whole universe to crumble; we as humans know how complicated and sensitive creations get the larger they are; take airplanes to spacecrafts.

The universe is intelligently designed to allow for life. We as humans, are made of stardust. The chance for stardust to organize itself into a human being with social life, capable of speaking with different languages and has diverse skin colors, made alive under a moon and a sun rotating is 0 without a helping hand.

Why would Allah need to design a universe to accommodate us? Can we not live in any universe Allah chooses? So out of the infinite possible universes to have us in, why make one where we require highly specific conditions to exist? Allah could have us living on a neutron star if he wanted, right?

He created us in it to test us via our response to good events and bad events.
The universe is the perfect environment for that: it hammers all creations with good events -like food- and bad events -like hunger-.

Humans would live for a certain time in it, then die; with a record written by God for how each of us responded.

Then each shall go to either hell or paradise, depending on their record.

I think hell can be this long long long hellish end of the universe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_o...far_future

Losers in the test would remain in this universe, while winners would go to another universe.

[Ranjr]

So the butterfly meant to cause all that damage?  I just became much less pollinator friendly.