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Muslims: If the Koran is Unaltered...
#31
RE: Muslims: If the Koran is Unaltered...
The presence of rhyming patterns...at all.. strongly suggests otherwise, lol.

-and why not. Rock out with your cock out if you wrote a catchy jingle.
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#32
RE: Muslims: If the Koran is Unaltered...
My last post in this thread , lol


Quote:So, [O Muhammad], We have only made Qur'an easy in the Arabic language that you may give good tidings thereby to the righteous and warn thereby a hostile people.

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#33
RE: Muslims: If the Koran is Unaltered...
Well, that's disappointing, we only got to talk about the first of an endless number of limericks which all satisfy the challenge made in magic book of producing a work of greater literary skill and beauty. We never even made it to the more complicated stuff like dr. seuss. Rhymes and illustrations!
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#34
RE: Muslims: If the Koran is Unaltered...
(April 19, 2020 at 2:11 am)WinterHold Wrote:
(March 1, 2020 at 7:14 pm)chimp3 Wrote: OK! I own a copy by Abdullah Yusef Ali with English translation. If I accept that the original is expressed accurately in all it's copies, why should I accept the original is true?

As a speaker of Arabic -both slang and formal, being a native Arab-, the translations are accurate. I understand English quite well and I didn't find notable "reforging" if any; the Arabic text is always the same -to the letter- but translations differ in small words but mainly the meaning is intact just since the source is intact.

You can see an example of that in this verse for example:

https://quran.com/2/256?translations=


to translate it myself:

لا
No

اكراه
Compulsion

في
In

الدين
Religion -an implicit reference to Islam-

قد
Had

تبين
became obvious

الرشد
The guidance

من
From

الغي
The wrong

ف
So

من
Whoever

يكفر
Disbelieves

ب
In

الطاغوت
The false God

و
and

يؤمن
Believes

ب
In

الله
Allah

فقد
Has

استمسك
Grasped

ب
In

العروة
The grip

الوثقى
The trustworthy

لا
No

انفصام
No break

لها
In it

و
and

الله
Allah

سميع
Hearing

عليم
Knowing
--------------------------

Most translations translate with minor differences like in the word "العروة"; while I chose "the grip" as its translation maybe other translators would choose the word "the handle".

Of course you can see that this no reason to start a sectarian civil war, but anyways the Muslims who say the Quran is not obvious to justify engaging in sectarian war are just extremists wanting interest for spilling blood.

Anyways, this is my opinion about the translation; reading for many translators would shed the light on the verse you would like to understand and read.

I am not seeking to understand any verse. My question is why I should believe any of it is true?
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






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#35
RE: Muslims: If the Koran is Unaltered...
(April 19, 2020 at 10:50 am)chimp3 Wrote: I am not seeking to understand any verse. My question is why I should believe any of it is true?

For me personally, I can't imagine our universe without a creator. Outer space is gigantic so as life, both are orchestrated in a way that points to a creator. My field of work is computer programming; so I know exactly how the role of a creator is essential to act as a springing point for any logic in the void.

There are patterns in this life, but I find the Quran having the best explanation for the patterns of this universe. I would say: observe the life around you and see the explanation the Quran gives then choose.
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#36
RE: Muslims: If the Koran is Unaltered...
The failures of your own imagination impose no limits on the universe.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#37
RE: Muslims: If the Koran is Unaltered...
(April 19, 2020 at 12:17 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(April 19, 2020 at 10:50 am)chimp3 Wrote: I am not seeking to understand any verse. My question is why I should believe any of it is true?

For me personally, I can't imagine our universe without a creator. Outer space is gigantic so as life, both are orchestrated in a way that points to a creator. My field of work is computer programming; so I know exactly how the role of a creator is essential to act as a springing point for any logic in the void.

There are patterns in this life, but I find the Quran having the best explanation for the patterns of this universe. I would say: observe the life around you and see the explanation the Quran gives then choose.

It doesn't occur to you that there is a disparity of scale between the Universe and the region occupied by life?
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
-Esquilax

Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
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#38
RE: Muslims: If the Koran is Unaltered...
(April 19, 2020 at 12:17 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(April 19, 2020 at 10:50 am)chimp3 Wrote: I am not seeking to understand any verse. My question is why I should believe any of it is true?

For me personally, I can't imagine our universe without a creator. Outer space is gigantic so as life, both are orchestrated in a way that points to a creator. My field of work is computer programming; so I know exactly how the role of a creator is essential to act as a springing point for any logic in the void.

There are patterns in this life, but I find the Quran having the best explanation for the patterns of this universe. I would say: observe the life around you and see the explanation the Quran gives then choose.

I am not convinced.
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!






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#39
RE: Muslims: If the Koran is Unaltered...
(April 19, 2020 at 7:38 am)Ashwin39 Wrote: 114 chapters , 6,236 verses

Mahabharata; 200,000 verses...

As for rhyming..



Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
-Esquilax

Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
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#40
RE: Muslims: If the Koran is Unaltered...
(April 19, 2020 at 12:45 pm)chimp3 Wrote: I am not convinced.

Really? You are not convinced by this?

[Image: Buraq.jpg]
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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