[Quranic Reflection]: the true face of murder

[Mister Agenda]

Glad to hear all it takes to fix a serial killer is a reminder that Allah thinks they shouldn't do it....

[chimp3]

I don't need gods or archaic writings to know that murder is wrong.

Others need a reminder.

Do those others require a lie to keep them civil?

[MooN]

this whole religion needs a serious rethink.

come to me, I;ve got mad ideas.

[WinterHold]

Glad to hear all it takes to fix a serial killer is a reminder that Allah thinks they shouldn't do it....

? I didn't say anything close to that, quoting myself in this topic:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-60581-p...pid1961851

WinterHold. Said:

But if you come attacking me with a bat, expect me to wield one back at you.
Keep it to insults; I'll keep it to insults too ! level it up; and I'll level it up.

eye for an eye. Fair and equal.

As of assuming that I will terrorize you, I say clear your chest a little, I just provided you with my personal constitution. and it says eye for an eye, not eye for a nuclear bomb

Then again I asserted:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-60581-p...pid1962091

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[url=https://atheistforums.org/user-8494.html]WinterHold. Said:


In Islam it is a guide to self defense, another explicit verse stated that:

Sura 16, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 126 )   And if you punish [an enemy, O believers], punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient - it is better for those who are patient.

Trading insults doesn't work at all times, sometimes you need to forgive and let it go.
But sometimes only the returning of the insult -or the attack- works, perhaps armed burglars are an example.

Serial killers who commit their murder, will get killed the same method they used to murder, or have their hand and feet cut, then crucified for their ugly deed,

[Fake Messiah]

Yeah, murdering in Quran is bad unless you are murdering Jews and Christians because of what they believe in

Quran 9 30
The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

[WinterHold]

Yeah, murdering in Quran is bad unless you are murdering Jews and Christians because of what they believe in

Quran 9 30
The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

May Allah destroy them; so they shall try to take it with him, not us.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm sure that you, personally, have some way to make it nicer in your mind. I doubt that you would if it was referring the the great satan of the west, whose destruction you wish for with some regularity, though.

Verses like the one you're retconning...ofc...can be, have been, and were intended to generate violence and othering. Pretext for holy war. In this, magic book causes those believers to feel much the same way you do about the great satan. Regardless of what you believe about a magic book, this is it's product. If your silly god wrote the book, and didn't intend it to do this...then your silly god is a fuckup.

There's your "true face of murder". A god so inept that it's own chosen words lead inexorably to human beings killing each other. I know, I know, you think that the sunni or the shia fucked it up, or broadly that it's just not gods fault and man fucked it up. Sure, why not. May as well blame the animals for the zookeepers shortcomings too.

It's amazing to me that, for a believer, the buck never stops with the most intelligent and powerful being in the universe, the being which set it all in motion and which allegedly claims that all that happens is and can only be it's will.

Ultimately, this is why religions like yours end up doing and getting away with so much shit, imo. They're a complete abrogation of responsibility, of any kind, for anything - combined with an insistence on justice deferred to some next life. The combined effect frees adherents from obligation and consequence in this life.

[WinterHold]

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Ultimately, this is why religions like yours end up doing and getting away with so much shit, imo.  They're a complete abrogation of responsibility, of any kind, for anything - combined with an insistence on justice deferred to some next life.  The combined effect frees adherents from obligation and consequence in this life.

I wanted to start with this.
What responsibility? matter in fact, the world -under the UN- is the new world, your Islamic scapegoat fell with the Ottomans as its last representatives worldwide.

so, enough with your repetition of this argument.
It has nothing to do with the topic we're discussing,so are you trolling? no shame?

[The Grand Nudger]

-case in point.

[no one]

I'm holding a vigil for the brain cells that were just savagely murdered.