Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?

[The Architect Of Fate]

Tribalism occurs when we say "people like that are dumb and people like me are smart." Or when we look at a large and diverse group of people and say "those people are promoting tribalism but people like me oppose it." 

Nah that's called stating a fact 

That's because you are promoting tribalism, by blaming a tribe who's different from you.

Nope he has no tribe

Again your tired "but you are too" fails

[The Grand Nudger]

Jesus is whomever you want him to be.

Basically, but that does not speak to the morality angle in the O.P.

If you're looking for moral lessons and exemplars in magic book, you've utterly missed the point of magic book.

It tells you how to get into the themepark in the sky, not how to be a good person.

[brewer]

What do you think is the truth?
 

You're working at about 20 watts.

[GrandizerII]

I agree that fathers should sacrifice themselves for their children should the need arise.

Note how that prick Yahweh did the opposite.

Regards
DL

Just to comment on this since I see atheists make a similar remark in their criticism of mainstream Christianity, and I feel it reveals a misunderstanding of the doctrine of the Trinity.

Under Trinitarianism, the analogy of human fathers and sons isn't a good one. Reason why is that the Father and the Son (in the Trinity) are not separate beings with independent wills, but rather they're one and the same being (along with the Holy Spirit) with basically the same will. Whether that means one will ontologically or three wills but in complete unison, I don't know. But the analogy just doesn't work here.

[Fake Messiah]

I agree that fathers should sacrifice themselves for their children should the need arise.

Note how that prick Yahweh did the opposite.

Regards
DL

Just to comment on this since I see atheists make a similar remark in their criticism of mainstream Christianity, and I feel it reveals a misunderstanding of the doctrine of the Trinity.

Under Trinitarianism, the analogy of human fathers and sons isn't a good one. Reason why is that the Father and the Son (in the Trinity) are not separate beings with independent wills, but rather they're one and the same being (along with the Holy Spirit) with basically the same will.

Same being? It depends what passages from the Bible you take

[Greatest I am]

Tribalism is a part of our instincts as we are born the most insecure animal on the planet.

Tribalism occurs when we say "people like that are dumb and people like me are smart." Or when we look at a large and diverse group of people and say "those people are promoting tribalism but people like me oppose it." 

you and I will not live long enough to see it.

That's because you are promoting tribalism, by blaming a tribe who's different from you.

You put a lot of words in my mouth.

Where did you see me promote tribalism?

All I did was indicate that it is an instinct in us.

You found you could not offer an alternative and saw that as me promoting it.

Regards
DL

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Basically, but that does not speak to the morality angle in the O.P.

If you're looking for moral lessons and exemplars in magic book, you've utterly missed the point of magic book.

It tells you how to get into the themepark in the sky, not how to be a good person.

I disagree. 

The bible is full of moral lessons. 

For instance, the morality of Yahweh's actions teach us much.

Unfortunately, Christians call evil good.

Gnostic Christians learned that Yahweh is an evil prick.

Did you not learn the same moral lesson?

Regards
DL

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What do you think is the truth?
 

You're working at about 20 watts.

Thanks for putting me above your wattage.

Regards
DL

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I agree that fathers should sacrifice themselves for their children should the need arise.

Note how that prick Yahweh did the opposite.

Regards
DL

Just to comment on this since I see atheists make a similar remark in their criticism of mainstream Christianity, and I feel it reveals a misunderstanding of the doctrine of the Trinity.

Under Trinitarianism, the analogy of human fathers and sons isn't a good one. Reason why is that the Father and the Son (in the Trinity) are not separate beings with independent wills, but rather they're one and the same being (along with the Holy Spirit) with basically the same will. Whether that means one will ontologically or three wills but in complete unison, I don't know. But the analogy just doesn't work here.

It might work if they all shared the same single consciousness but only the father knows some things, like the time of the end.

They should have stuck with the original trinity of father, mother and child.

Regards
DL

[brewer]

You're working at about 20 watts.

Thanks for putting me above your wattage.

Regards
DL

Not even close.

I gave my opinion on the fairy tale, you wanted to argue with a page of crap, youtube vid and then asked me about truth. None of it is true dipshit.

As far as I'm concerned it's the same as arguing about the morality of the tooth fairy reward or punishing kids for loosing teeth.

But if this is where you mentally live, all I have is.........

[tackattack]

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I would love to hear your interpretation on the sinfulness of Jesus and citing of scriptures.

Here's one example



But let me guess, Jesus's rules only apply to other people but not him.

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I would say Jesus' rules apply to Jesus as well. Just read it in context all the way back to 20. "unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law..." As nudger pointed out, Jesus is righteousness so that points moot. I call people fools everyday, for the right reason. Calling a spade a spade isn't a sin, doing it with a heart that's angry is. This fairly obviously what was being pointed out. It's not just the law, it's the intent you're breaking.

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I would love to hear your interpretation on the sinfulness of Jesus and citing of scriptures.

Well, he was certainly rude to his mum (John 2:4). If breaking a commandment is a sin, I’m sure this qualifies.

Boru

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so you think he was rude to his Mom and therefore not honoring they father and mother?

[The Grand Nudger]

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If you're looking for moral lessons and exemplars in magic book, you've utterly missed the point of magic book.

It tells you how to get into the themepark in the sky, not how to be a good person.

I disagree. 

The bible is full of moral lessons. 

For instance, the morality of Yahweh's actions teach us much.

Unfortunately, Christians call evil good.

It's full of examples that you apply an external moral standard to, as demonstrated in your remarks, not lessons - or at least not any lesson you appear inclined to accept.    

Gnostic Christians learned that Yahweh is an evil prick.

Did you not learn the same moral lesson?

Regards
DL

Wrong person to ask.  Magic book had no place whatsoever in my moral education.  I can only point out that if this is what you took from magic book it must be referring to some standard outside of magic book.  That's not uncommon, it was a preexisting belief about gods in general in the relevant time frame.  No one learned it from reading magic book.  

TLDR, no, I didn't learn that from magic book, neither did the gnostics, and neither did you.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

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Here's one example



But let me guess, Jesus's rules only apply to other people but not him.

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I would say Jesus' rules apply to Jesus as well. Just read it in context all the way back to 20. "unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law..." As nudger pointed out, Jesus is righteousness so that points moot. I call people fools everyday, for the right reason. Calling a spade a spade isn't a sin, doing it with a heart that's angry is. This fairly obviously what was being pointed out. It's not just the law, it's the intent you're breaking.

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Well, he was certainly rude to his mum (John 2:4). If breaking a commandment is a sin, I’m sure this qualifies.

Boru

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so you think he was rude to his Mom and therefore not honoring they father and mother?

Yes, I do. I also agree with FM’s assessment about calling people ‘fools’, although the inclusion of the passages from Galatians and James are misplaced (Jesus wasn’t the one speaking in those verses).

Boru