BREAKING:Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day

[The Architect Of Fate]

TRUMP: "We are going to win four more years. And then after that we'll go for another four years, because they spied on my campaign. We should get a redo of four years."

Yup totally sounds like a guy who will concede defeat 

"There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed. The Governor of California is sending Ballots to millions of people, anyone....."

Yup totally sounds like someone who isn't trying to paint the election as rigged so he doesn't have to step down 

“With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???”

Yup seems totally legit 

“I think this scam that the Democrats are pulling — it’s a scam. This scam will be before the United States Supreme Court and I think having the four-four situation is not a good situation if you get that,”

Yup nothing sketchy here 

“I think this will end up in the Supreme Court. And I think it’s very important that we have nine justices,” 

Nothing at all

[onlinebiker]

Their love for hitler peaked around August of 1941.  They didn’t love him much after Winter 1941 and much less still after Stalingrad.   But just as the republicans who didn’t love trump much, but would prefer the dictatorship of trump to some democracy that involves, gasp, democrats, on the whole the German army preferred hitler to some vague But terrifying notion of Germany Not being led by the nose by a strongman that can bluster like Hitler, and they More often than not thought it thought it pretty cool to do away with all those pesky slavs for the greater germany, until it became very clear the there could be very little left for the German military class after the war unless the trajectory germany is taking under hitler is halted.

I'm kind of surprised that the military minds of Germany didn't foresee losing the war eventually. One nation can't take on the entire world like that and hope to win unless you're a madman. And no offense to Germany, Italy or Japan but they're not that big as far as the global scale is concerned. I actually find it amazing they did as well as they did for as long as they did. But even if you actually win that war, then comes the hard part: occupation. How would three relatively small nations control a global empire for long? Certainly not 1,000 years.

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The funny part - 

The ( D )s think there is no other outcome than the orange turd losing......

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Basically what they want - is Trump to conceed the election now......


(They think that's what tripped up Hillary).

Oh, trust me. We're all-too aware that Trump could win. Between the GOP voter suppression, their cheating and the fact that Democrats can always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, this election will be a nail-biter until it's over.

Nail biter?

Hardly.

The outcome is certain.


A sleezebag politician will win.

[Deesse23]

Bullshit

American soldiers have to swear an oath to the US constitution. Thats what unifies them btw., no "governmental paradigm".  
It is safe to assume that they will take their oath very serious, and not follow any *random* general. The same happened within the Wehrmacht, and that was the main reason Adolf wasnt arrested somewhen during 1943 or 44 and the army fought to unconditional surrender.

Your comparison to the roman army was just plain stupid. Obviously you have decided not to learn anything from the last time this was discussed and you were lectured. No wonder, since willful ignorance is your main character trait.

For any large group of people, no oath can be binding enough to resist persistent and ruthless appeal to vanity and self interest.    The more discerning of the groups will be more careful to disguise their pursuit of self interest by claiming It be in the service of their oath, the less discerning won’t bother.

Yet still the overwhelming majority of german/prussian officer corps stayed loyally with Hitler, against their self interest.

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I'm kind of surprised that the military minds of Germany didn't foresee losing the war eventually. One nation can't take on the entire world like that and hope to win unless you're a madman. And no offense to Germany, Italy or Japan but they're not that big as far as the global scale is concerned. I actually find it amazing they did as well as they did for as long as they did. But even if you actually win that war, then comes the hard part: occupation. How would three relatively small nations control a global empire for long? Certainly not 1,000 years.

Many officers were critical of Hitlers plans to wage war until 1938. Of course they knew very well (better than him) in what state the Wehrmacht actually was (and that state was: utterly unprepared for war).

But there was the Blomberg-Fritsch crisis in 1938 after which most of the high ranking officers who were critical of Hitler were removed (along with Blomberg and Fritsch themselves), and the Wehrmacht lost much of its independence. Lets not forget that in 1923 Hans von Seeckt (representing the Reichswehr as top ranking officer) declared the NSDAP illegal.

Still there was opposition to Hitler within the upper echelons. Canaris, Beck and Halder (who succeeded Beck). As early as 1938 they were opposed to Hitlers pland to wage an agressive war and were looking for ways to stop him. Beck wrote several memorandums and finally retired in protest of the "decapitation" of the Wehrmacht (Blomberg-Fritsch, see above). With Halder he conspired to remove Hitler once the UK took action in the Sudetencrisis. In this "oster conspiracy" up to ten high ranking generals and members of the "abwehr" were involved, along with several politicians and diplomats.

On the other hand, many officers were happy with Hitler, promising them a "bright future" with a strong germany and a strong WEhrmacht free of the shackles of Versailles. Much like Napoleons officers, after early successes they were drowned in medals and promotions, which brought ehm very close to theri master and bought him their loyalty (additionally to the strong bond they felt by their oath).

As far as winning the war goes, most generals didnt even think they would succeed in France. The officers in charge of the May offensive themselves thought they would end somewhere near Paris and thought they were looking at a year long war. It was subordinates as Guderian and Rommel who didnt obey orders (or looked with a blind eye) who pushed the offensive, their superiors didn tthink for a second that this plan would work.

Also by 1940, or even June 1941, a globla war, particularly vs the US was not necessarily forseeable. Dont forget the fallacy of having 20/20 hindsight.

And then there were ( i am fairly certain) those who fumbeled their way through, once the whole deal was outta control. Thats what usually happens and thats what generals usually do. I dont see naything particularly outstanding regarding the german generalship.

[Anomalocaris]

I'm kind of surprised that the military minds of Germany didn't foresee losing the war eventually. One nation can't take on the entire world like that and hope to win unless you're a madman. And no offense to Germany, Italy or Japan but they're not that big as far as the global scale is concerned. I actually find it amazing they did as well as they did for as long as they did. But even if you actually win that war, then comes the hard part: occupation. How would three relatively small nations control a global empire for long? Certainly not 1,000 years.

In the beginning MAZI Germany did not take on the whole world. Allying with the USSR appears to solve most of the military and economic problems that were at the root of German defeat in WWI.  Gradually Germany accumulated enemies and proved quite inefficient in the conduct of the economic aspects of the war.   But those happened step wise, and the German army was like a lobster that didn’t feel itself boiling until it is too late to get out of the pot.    

While it may have been the Nazi aspiration to somehow conquer and rule the world, it seems probable that much of German army felt that a negotiated peace was the real goal and was attainable, and its terms could be made more favorable to Germany by Germany gaining strong positions through military success.    

Even after 1943 and Cairo conference much of German army was in denial over the fact that the west-USSR alliance was unlikely to fail apart before Germany is defeated, and that alliance was really determined to crush Germany all the way down to powder and would accept no peace that would leave Germany intact.

[Brian37]

It has often been stated that the president has no real power, that he is merely a pawn on the governmental chessboard.

It's often said that Me and You and a Dog Named "Boo" would be a good trio.

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Stauffenberg only turned after Nazi Germany lost.  If Moscow had fallen in 41 or 42 there would have been no July 44 plot.

If the French and British had reacted when Hitler remilitarized the Rhineland there would have been an attempt to unseat Hitler.

True, and if America had listened to the 50 former Republican intel agents not to elect Trump when he was running, we wouldn't be in the mess we are today.

[Dingo]

Beyond me why anyone still supports this idiot

[Pat Mustard]

Not by the army.  They loved him until after Kursk, and all it cost Hitler was Röhm, a man he was going to liquidate anyway.

You need to do some reading.

I do a lot of reading. And the OKH didn't realise they lost until Kursk. And it was only after that that any serious opposition from within the armed forces came about.

[The Grand Nudger]

Beyond me why anyone still supports this idiot

People support him because he's the most successful white supremacist politician in modern american history.  That's his political brand, that has always been his political brand, and our brand as americans has been looking the other way on that - then exclaiming that we can't understand trumpism.  

We come up with the excuses and the buzzwords for them, because they can't articulate their support in a coherent or genuine fashion, and even after all of that we still sit there pretending that we wonder how or why it happened.

In mere reality, it's easy to explain. White supremacy has moderate swing voting™ allies. They may prefer a non white supremacist republican to a white supremacist republican, but they prefer white supremacy to any democrat - and will only be swing voters if they believe that the democrat offers them at least some of what their white supremacist leaning demands. Can't even be mad at them, they're actually voting -for- something that they want, like it's supposed to work. The real assholes in this relationship are the opposition parties that offer that particular fig leaf.

[Anomalocaris]

You need to do some reading.

I do a lot of reading.  And the OKH didn't realise they lost until Kursk.  And it was only after that that any serious opposition from within the armed forces came about.

Kursk only seemed decisive in a retrospect.  At the time, kursk didn’t seem like a major diseaster, just a unfortunate operation that might have verged on success but which had to be aborted because forced were needed Elsewhere to counter Anglo-American invasions in the Mediterranean.   

For a period after Kursk, from late 1943-early 1944, Germany gave up a lot of territory in the East, but was conducting a effective elastic defence, with no major soviet breakthroughs, and success in falling back on more defensible frontiers,

 The German army had wanted to not fight Kursk at all, but only stood on defensive in the East in 1943.   So the defensive battles after Kursk also didn’t seem to reflect a decisive turning of events by Kursk. 

It was probably Stalingrad was the watershed moment for senior German officers,   At Stalingrad Hitler forced a huge body of Germany troops , 300,000, to remain surrounded and die in the most miserable and hopeless circumstances for very little possible gain when military needs and German military custom demanded the 6th army break out and be saved.   This broke a certain moral bond between hitler as supreme commander of the German army, and the army.   

If it weren’t for Stalingrad, many German officers would probably have continued to support hitler and chalked reverses under Hitler to fortunes of war, and defended hitler’s decisions as legitimate differences in opinion regarding how the war should be conducted by a dictator who did, after all, bring Germany to the heigh of military glory not previously dreamt of.

[Drich]

Civil war began to manifest in the USA with Trump's rape of the presidential chair:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/23/polit...index.html

Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transition of power after Election Day

What do you expect to unfold until the elections? is America truly in the stage of collapse -like so many expected- or would an institution stronger than Trump would intervene and keep the state?

To me; this is a declaration of civil war from Trump's side; and as I said earlier: the biggest enemy of western people would evolve and mutate to be enemies from the west itself.

Trump is a criminal and not just that: this germ is infecting the USA with a new type of disease that either evolves and dominates or ceases and gets defeated but after causing a hell lot of damage.

I think America would not be one anymore. This country will witness a separation, and perhaps collapse.

hey slo mo.. what do you think the whole russia gate/impeachment was all about? it was an attempt to oust a duly elected president, by the previous administration. they tried to usurp the president's authority and power from with in the appointed positions obama put into power.. non elected positions like director of the FBI ect..