Chauvin Murder Trial

[Rev. Rye]

Scientific racists are certain they can't be racists because scientific racism is just The Truth™, and how can the truth be racist. I always wonder how that happens. A person is just...normal....and then they hear the bigoted bill nye say numbers at them and bingo bongo, racists?

And numbers that are only part of the story, and they don’t question whether or not they were actually representative (like perhaps white people aren’t as scrutinized by the police as heavily as black people, skewing the numbers), or, if they actually are, why this is so and maybe we might be able to fix that.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Scientific racists are certain they can't be racists because scientific racism is just The Truth™, and how can the truth be racist.  I always wonder how that happens.  A person is just...normal....and then they hear the bigoted bill nye say numbers at them and bingo bongo, racists?

But ... But... It's science 

[The Grand Nudger]

Maybe people just reflexively search for an enlightened centrism, and this sort of shit is the halfway mark between being a full blown race warrior and being, well, not that.

[Irreligious Atheist]

[brewer]

[Irreligious Atheist]

The ADL called Ilhan Omar anti-semetic when she said nothing close to anti-semetic. The ADL has no credibility whatsoever.

I didn't get a response from you other than a kudos.

The article does not support your statement "Blacks and whites actually get killed by police at a very similar rate". Her paper is predictive, not quantitative (note #4).

I will find another link when I get the time.

[Rev. Rye]

[The Architect Of Fate]

I will find another link when I get the time.

And Brewer will tear it apart.

[Jackie]

Nobody in this thread has ever claimed white people never die by the hands of police. But there is a huge ratio disparity as to risk of death when interacting with police. Once as a teen I had a full size replica toy cap gun, no re noses required at the time back in the 80s. Cops were called  because someone thought I was firing a real gun. Cop jumped out of his car pointed his gun at me, BUT waited for me to explain it was a toy and didn't shoot me. Another time in my early 20s I got pulled over for speeding, made the mistake of mouthing off, but made it to the police station alive and released unharmed. The disorderly was dropped, but I still had to pay the traffic ticket. They didn't even pull a gun on me during that. 

Sandra Bland however, died in police custody over a minor traffic pull over she confronted the cop verbally and got arrested for it. Just this weekend a black Lt military EMT was pulled over for an improper mounting of his temorary tag. That Lt was smart in putting his hands out of the window. He shouldn't have had to though considering it was not a fellony stop. Point is, that Lt would have been more likely to be shot than I would have under similar circumstances.

So when you say whites get roughed up, and or shot sometimes, it is still nowhere near the rate blacks have to worry about.

Blacks and whites actually get killed by police at a very similar rate compared to interactions with police. All those extra interactions cause bullshit like them being way more likely than whites to go to jail for drug possession while the races use at a similar rate, but at the same time, poor black areas are obviously policed more because that's where the gang activity is.

You bring up Tamir Rice. The sad thing about that is that there actually are 12 year old kids walking around with real guns, in gangs. That's the screwed up reality. Instead of literal reparations (although UBI may not be such a bad idea, for all races though obviously), poor black people need useful reparations like major investment in the community and schools so 12 year olds hopefully aren't walking around with guns.

I know very well how cops can be pricks. When I was 12, a cop threatened to arrest me if I didn't snitch and tell him about a fight I had witnessed. I said go ahead and do it. No snitching. There is no evidence of any racism in what happened to George Floyd. You and the media are just making that connection because you want it to be true. You don't know it to be true. If it was another white guy killed or mentally challenged guy killed, you wouldn't be calling it Antebellum bullshit, and we can't specifically say that race had anything to do with Floyd dying, or for that matter we can't say that racism would have anything to do with Derek Chauvin being found not guilty. There are black people on the jury. Dude took a bunch of drugs. When you do that and you end up dying by a not as obvious means as a gunshot, you're not going to necessarily get the benefit of the doubt. Beyond reasonable doubt is a high standard to clear.

NOT THE FUCKING POINT. I am saying that risk of injury, or higher rate of more severe charge even without injury, far more affects minorities than whites.

[Mister Agenda]

I remember finding the conclucsions of the book The Bell Curve persuasive. Then I looked a little deeper and it fell apart. I had a similar experience with relating race and crime statistics. Now I skip the part where I find it persuasive and move straight to considering it racist propaganda until proven otherwise.