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Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
#91
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
(October 14, 2021 at 12:00 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: If someone says that the universe is god, then why isn’t this pencil on my desk not another god? Why call it a god? Why not call it zilbracorvem?

The quote that Oldandeasilyconfused gave is really good, I think. A clear definition, without oversimplifying. 

Pantheists see God as imminent in every particle and point in nature, as the cause and supporter-in-being of everything. This will only sound atheistic to people who have only pictured God as an angry sky daddy. Standard Christian theology, on the other hand, sees God as imminent everywhere, and similarly cause and supporter of everything. The main difference is that the Christian God is all of nature plus infinity, while for Pantheists God is coterminous with nature. 

If you have some reason to think that your pencil is a god, and you also belief that all of nature is God, then you're a polytheist. 

Quote:Because if they claim that it is not a personal god and it is not anthropomorphic, then what is it?
I would like to know what god means to them and the wikipedia article was not clear for me.

Only the most naive Christians see God as anthropomorphic. God is the Ground of Being, and the First Cause, and has no human-like body. This part is the same for Pantheists. 

Although to be careful we'd have to specify whose pantheism we're talking about. Spinoza's? Emerson's? There are many different flavors.
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#92
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
Case in point.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#93
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
(October 14, 2021 at 12:15 am)Belacqua Wrote: The quote that Oldandeasilyconfused gave is really good, I think. A clear definition, without oversimplifying. 

Pantheists see God as imminent in every particle and point in nature, as the cause and supporter-in-being of everything. This will only sound atheistic to people who have only pictured God as an angry sky daddy. Standard Christian theology, on the other hand, sees God as imminent everywhere, and similarly cause and supporter of everything. The main difference is that the Christian God is all of nature plus infinity, while for Pantheists God is coterminous with nature. 

If you have some reason to think that your pencil is a god, and you also belief that all of nature is God, then you're a polytheist. 




Only the most naive Christians see God as anthropomorphic. God is the Ground of Being, and the First Cause, and has no human-like body. This part is the same for Pantheists. 

Although to be careful we'd have to specify whose pantheism we're talking about. Spinoza's? Emerson's? There are many different flavors.

I think the quote that he gave is insufficient for me.
I referred back to the first post that Seax made.

Since Seax wrote:
“God would not create a universe with laws opposed to His Will.”

^^^^^So, this is the keyword right here. Seax says His Will. So, the pantheist god has a brain.
Since a pantheist thinks of the sum total of the universe as god, I suppose they mean that all this is his brain.

Then, there is the question as to what does he think all day long, is he walking around in his own universe at the moment and talking to other “gods”, ....
I would need a large number of pantheists to ask such questions.

“Only the most naive Christians see God as anthropomorphic. God is the Ground of Being, and the First Cause, and has no human-like body. This part is the same for Pantheists.”

==Seax had written:
“Christianity is essentially dualistic in most ways, though many Christians, especially Catholics, hate the term. They believe that God is separate from nature & regard much that is natural, and in my view healthy, as ungodly. “

^^^^^this seems to be mostly correct. Some christians seem to have the view that this universe did not exist. The jewish god did a “creation ex-nihilo” and poff, this universe existed and then the story of Genesis starts up. There are variations of course. Some christians think that Genesis did not happen and they borrow the version of history as layed out by the sciences (Big bang theory, cosmology, Evolution theory).
So, there is a major problem of synchronization between various sects of christianity. Ditto for judaism, islam, mormonism.
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#94
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
(October 14, 2021 at 1:44 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Since Seax wrote:
“God would not create a universe with laws opposed to His Will.”

^^^^^So, this is the keyword right here. Seax says His Will. So, the pantheist god has a brain.
Since a pantheist thinks of the sum total of the universe as god, I suppose they mean that all this is his brain.

So in your view, will necessitates a brain. Is this a human-like brain? Or can it be different? Generally God's will is not thought to be the product of a material brain, but maybe you have other theories.

Many Christians say that God's will is not like the will of a changing, thinking being with a physical brain. God, as the Form of the Good, attracts us to himself insofar as we desire the good. So "God's will" is just this attraction we have toward goodness. It isn't like some guy sits around and decides what he wants to happen. 

Quote:Then, there is the question as to what does he think all day long, is he walking around in his own universe at the moment and talking to other “gods”, ....
I would need a large number of pantheists to ask such questions.

If God is nature, then God isn't occupying nature as if nature were a space you could move around in. That would be like moving around inside yourself. 

I don't know about pantheists, or which ones you're referring to, but in classical Christian theology it's generally said that God does nothing. As impassible and perfect, God has no motion or change. 

Quote:“Only the most naive Christians see God as anthropomorphic. God is the Ground of Being, and the First Cause, and has no human-like body. This part is the same for Pantheists.”

==Seax had written:
“Christianity is essentially dualistic in most ways, though many Christians, especially Catholics, hate the term. They believe that God is separate from nature & regard much that is natural, and in my view healthy, as ungodly. “

I don't know who Seax is, but he's fairly fuzzy here. Maybe it makes more sense in context. 

For example, I hope he's not saying that something is necessarily healthy because it's natural. I would find that hard to accept. 

You're right that there is a great deal of variation among Christians. God as Ground of Being is transcendent to nature, though I don't think that "separate" is quite right here. Many Christians think of God as being absolutely imminent in nature, with God present in every particle and cell and inch of empty space. 

Generally speaking, Gnostics think that matter is evil, but many Christians think it's all good to the extent that it reflects God's goodness.  

Quote:^^^^^this seems to be mostly correct. Some christians seem to have the view that this universe did not exist. The jewish god did a “creation ex-nihilo” and poff, this universe existed and then the story of Genesis starts up. There are variations of course. Some christians think that Genesis did not happen and they borrow the version of history as layed out by the sciences (Big bang theory, cosmology, Evolution theory).
So, there is a major problem of synchronization between various sects of christianity. Ditto for judaism, islam, mormonism.

You're right, there is a wide variety of opinion among Christians. According to Genesis, after God made matter he said it was good. So Christians who like that would think that matter is good. 

Are you wanting to say that the creation story is something which differentiates pantheists and Christians? That might make sense.
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#95
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
(October 14, 2021 at 2:14 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(October 14, 2021 at 1:44 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Since Seax wrote:
“God would not create a universe with laws opposed to His Will.”

^^^^^So, this is the keyword right here. Seax says His Will. So, the pantheist god has a brain.
Since a pantheist thinks of the sum total of the universe as god, I suppose they mean that all this is his brain.

So in your view, will necessitates a brain. Is this a human-like brain? Or can it be different? Generally God's will is not thought to be the product of a material brain, but maybe you have other theories.

Many Christians say that God's will is not like the will of a changing, thinking being with a physical brain. God, as the Form of the Good, attracts us to himself insofar as we desire the good. So "God's will" is just this attraction we have toward goodness. It isn't like some guy sits around and decides what he wants to happen.

“So in your view, will necessitates a brain. Is this a human-like brain? Or can it be different? Generally God's will is not thought to be the product of a material brain, but maybe you have other theories.”

==Imagine that I have Win XP on a CD. Let’s say I have another copy of Win XP on a DVD. I have another copy on a USB stick. I have another copy on a HDD.
Are all these Win XP identical? Well, the files are identical however we can notice that the hardware is not identical.
But all these have a representation of the software known as Win XP on them.

It’s the same way with the pantheist god brain. The hardware looks different compared to a human brain.
Wether the software that it represents, the thinking patterns, memories, input and output and processing centers ..... if it is identical to a human’s software, I do not know.

“Many Christians say that God's will is not like the will of a changing, thinking being with a physical brain. God, as the Form of the Good, attracts us to himself insofar as we desire the good. So "God's will" is just this attraction we have toward goodness. It isn't like some guy sits around and decides what he wants to happen.”

==If by will, you mean thinking patterns, I would say that the thinking patterns differ among humans as well.
You used the words “physical brain”, therefore, you are referring to a non-physical brain but what is a non-physical brain? Are you saying that it is not made of atoms?

“God, as the Form of the Good, attracts us to himself insofar as we desire the good.”

==I guess it has to do with his thought patterns. At some point, he has decided that he wants to  “attracts us to himself”.

“So "God's will" is just this attraction we have toward goodness.”

==I would like to attract you to goodness as well. I would say most humans are like that.
What’s your point? Earlier, you wrote “God's will is not like the will of a changing, thinking” so what is the difference between him and me?

“If God is nature, then God isn't occupying nature as if nature were a space you could move around in. That would be like moving around inside yourself.“

==No no no.
Let’s call our universe, UniverseB. UniverseB is god’s brain and perhaps all other components of his body as well. If you wish, we can call it NatureB.
The pantheist god = NatureB.
So, maybe the pantheist god lives inside NatureA with other gods and he leads his life as his wish. And those other gods in UniverseA are other universes.

Note: I am not saying this is what pantheists believe. I am just exploring ideas.

“I don't know about pantheists, or which ones you're referring to, but in classical Christian theology it's generally said that God does nothing. As impassible and perfect, God has no motion or change.”

==Nothing? What a boring life.

“I don't know who Seax is, but he's fairly fuzzy here. Maybe it makes more sense in context.”

==It’s his first post to this thread. I did not quote his entire post since it is long.

“You're right, there is a wide variety of opinion among Christians. According to Genesis, after God made matter he said it was good. So Christians who like that would think that matter is good.”

==I find that it is a weird thing to say that “matter is good”. Why is matter good?

“Are you wanting to say that the creation story is something which differentiates pantheists and Christians? That might make sense.”

==No.
My focus was to find out if atheists and pantheists are identical. That is why I started this thread.
Initially, it seemed like pantheists call this universe a god so I wanted to know if they believe that it is a personality.

Because their definition has
“Pantheist belief does not recognize a distinct personal god”

and I find that word set as confusing. What’s a personal god. What is not a personal god.
So, it is not anthropomorphic, meaning it does not have cute eyeballs and big ears like Mickey Mouse.
That’s nice, but I want to know what their god is.
Does it think? Does it have feelings? What feeling does it have? Is it curious?
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#96
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
(October 14, 2021 at 12:15 am)Belacqua Wrote: Only the most naive Christians see God as anthropomorphic.

You keep talking about those guys like they're a tiny minority, but in the USA they're over a quarter of the population, and in the majority in some states (like mine).
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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#97
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
(October 14, 2021 at 9:54 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: and I find that word set as confusing. What’s a personal god. What is not a personal god.
So, it is not anthropomorphic, meaning it does not have cute eyeballs and big ears like Mickey Mouse.
Personal and anthropomorphic carry the same connotations, you could say that the latter is a stronger claim to the attributes than the former.  

Personal gods are, simply put, person-like.  The christian god, for example.  Laying aside the fact that they believe their god literally walked the earth as a man....a stronger claim than either descriptor - it's said to have emotions and desires.  Things it likes.  A shitlist.  Regrets.  A plan.  It may not be human, but it's a person and relates to us in that way.

Theism is the belief in a divine person who intervenes. Deism the belief in a divine person who does not intervene. Polytheism the belief in many divine persons who intervene. Pantheism the belief in a divine non person that intervenes (but only by fiat..as it's incapable of not intervening, subtle distinction there).

The type of god that most people will be familiar with today is mono/heno/polytheist.

Quote:That’s nice, but I want to know what their god is.
Does it think? Does it have feelings? What feeling does it have? Is it curious?
Yes, we think, therefore god thinks. We have feelings, therefore god has feelings. We possess curiosity, therefore god possesses curiosity. Whatever attribute everything in total has, god also has, the pantheist god is the sum of all things, but not greater than that (that would be a panentheistic god).

The short version of a long story is that...no, pantheism and atheism are not the same thing, one set thinks that everything is the divine x, the other, that there are no divine x's. We can credit spinoza for the confusion. If you wanted to do a deep dive, you should ping vulcanlogician.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#98
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
Pantheism - God is all things,
Panentheism - God is in all things.

Pantheism is fairly compatible with a mystical form of atheism. Panentheism is getting more toward traditional theism.

The Pantheist believes that we are part of god, the trees are part of god, the planets are part of god. As the universe evolves and we evolve, god evolves too. How is this different from a reverence for nature? It really isn't, except to imagine wonder and divinity in all things, and to imagine some purpose for the universe existing.
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#99
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
(October 14, 2021 at 9:58 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(October 14, 2021 at 12:15 am)Belacqua Wrote: Only the most naive Christians see God as anthropomorphic.

You keep talking about those guys like they're a tiny minority, but in the USA they're over a quarter of the population, and in the majority in some states (like mine).

It’s also not naive. There are descriptions in the Bible. However, I think most christians would believe that the jewish god is a shape shifter.

Here are some extracts from the Bible:

Isaiah 6:1 KING JAMES VERSION
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. {6:2} Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. {6:3} And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, [is] the LORD of hosts: the whole earth [is] full of his glory. {6:4} And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.

^^^^^The jewish god that is being described obviously has a humanoid shape and is sitting in a chair. The train of his robe filled the room. In other words, it is a rich guy and has money to spend on lots of cloth.
In order to be able to sit, you need gravity. gravity is pulling the god in the direction of his chair.
The seraphim has body parts. 6 wings. With 2, he covers his face. Why?
2 wings covers his feet. Why?
2 wings are used for flying. Apparently, these guys are like birds or butterflies and there is gravity. There is also a need for a gas, such as air, so that these bird people can fly.
The primitive jew who wrote this can’t imagine an environment without gravity, rocket packs and alternative methods of getting around.
The house was filled with smoke? Did the fire alarm go off? As usual, there is no information of value here. Just fairy tales.

Genesis 1:26 KING JAMES VERSION
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle,

^^^^^Here, it is talking about image and likeness. The christian who believes that the jewish god is a shapeless entity would have to claim that this line in the tanakh is actually talking about the soul, the emotional state.

2 Samuel 22:8 KING JAMES VERSION
Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because he was wroth. {22:9} There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. {22:10} He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness [was] under his feet. {22:11} And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. {22:12} And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, [and] thick clouds of the skies. {22:13} Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled.

^^^^^Ancient man thought that their god was a giant or something and causes earthquakes. As usual, natural events were thought to be caused by the gods.
Smoke comes out of his nostrils and he is something like a fire breathing dragon. The ancient man who wrote those lines was aware of the existence of coal.
Apparently, gravity has an effect on their gods.
When the jewish god walks on the ceiling (which is the sky.), it deforms.
In order for god to fly, he sits on angels and these angels flap their wings and they take him from spaceheaven to Earth and from Earth back to spaceheaven.

God has nostrils
Exodus 15:8 KING JAMES VERSION
And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, [and] the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.


God has feet
Exodus 24:10 KING JAMES VERSION
And they saw the God of Israel: and [there was] under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in [his] clearness.



God has eyelids.
Psalms 11:4 KING JAMES VERSION
The LORD [is] in his holy temple, the LORD’S throne [is] in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.


God has a mouth
2 Samuel 22:9 KING JAMES VERSION
There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.


God has bad breath
Isaiah 11:4 KING JAMES VERSION
But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.


God has arms
Isaiah 52:10 KING JAMES VERSION
The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.


God has a face
Genesis 32:30 KING JAMES VERSION
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

(October 14, 2021 at 10:18 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Personal and anthropomorphic carry the same connotations, you could say that the latter is a stronger claim to the attributes than the former.  

Personal gods are, simply put, person-like.  The christian god, for example.  Laying aside the fact that they believe their god literally walked the earth as a man....a stronger claim than either descriptor - it's said to have emotions and desires.  Things it likes.  A shitlist.  Regrets.  A plan.  It may not be human, but it's a person and relates to us in that way.

Theism is the belief in a divine person who intervenes.  Deism the belief in a divine person who does not intervene.  Polytheism the belief in many divine persons who intervene.  Pantheism the belief in a divine non person that intervenes (but only by fiat..as it's incapable of not intervening, subtle distinction there).

The type of god that most people will be familiar with today is mono/heno/polytheist.


Yes, we think, therefore god thinks.  We have feelings, therefore god has feelings.  We possess curiosity, therefore god possesses curiosity.  Whatever attribute everything in total has, god also has, the pantheist god is the sum of all things, but not greater than that (that would be a panentheistic god).

The short version of a long story is that...no, pantheism and atheism are not the same thing, one set thinks that everything is the divine x, the other, that there are no divine x's.  We can credit spinoza for the confusion.  If you wanted to do a deep dive, you should ping vulcanlogician.

It is my understanding that there is no christian god. There is a jewish god and it is my understanding that there were various jew sects 2000+ y or 2100+y or 2200+ y ago and they needed a messiah to save them from the evil overlords the Roman empire.
I assume that the Roman empire blew away the jewish army and killed the royal family at some point. Unless if one of you can tell me who the royal family was and the members of 1 st century Israel.
So, there was a need for a messiah. The messiah had a mission to accomplish.

Luke 1:27 KING JAMES VERSION
To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. {1:28} And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. {1:29} And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. {1:30} And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. {1:31} And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. {1:32} He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: {1:33} And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

^^^^^It is important that Jesus comes from the line of David because I think they are regarded as the king line and the humans back then had some kind of a respect for the royal family.
Luke 1:32 tells us that the jewish god is going to set things in motion. The jews will have a king again and there is mention of the house of Jacob which I assume is some important family clan.

So, the short version is that:
1. the jewish god is a person.
2. the deist god is a person.
3. the pantheist god is a person.
4. the polytheist god are a persons.

I get confused since sometimes, people tells me that god is love.
Well, that is a brainless thing. It isn’t a person.

Some people tell me that my god is science.
Well, that is a brainless thing. It isn’t a person.

Some people tell me that my gods are communist, Stalin, Mao Zadong, Pol Pot and atheists killed more people than christians.
Well, those are people but I don’t agree with the violence and hatred from Stalin, Mao Zadong, Pol Pot.
I guess us 4 have something in common.
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RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
(October 14, 2021 at 11:38 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: It is my understanding that there is no christian god. There is a jewish god and it is my understanding that there were various jew sects 2000+ y or 2100+y or 2200+ y ago and they needed a messiah to save them from the evil overlords the Roman empire.
I assume that the Roman empire blew away the jewish army and killed the royal family at some point. Unless if one of you can tell me who the royal family was and the members of 1 st century Israel.
So, there was a need for a messiah. The messiah had a mission to accomplish.
Yeah, the romans conquered judea around 63bc, and put the final nail in the subsequent insurgency (this is where we get the term zealot from) by march of 70ad when they destroyed the second temple.  As was their way, the romans installed local puppet kings.  It was difficult, in those circumstances, to believe that a davidic king would show up any minute to conquer the world.  This is when proto-christianity began to meaningfully diverge from it's roots in jewish apocalypticism.  Pagan rome ruled the area for 400 years, followed by another 300 years of christian rome/constantinople.  That influence is writ large over christianity.

Quote:So, the short version is that:
1. the jewish god is a person.
2. the deist god is a person.
3. the pantheist god is a person.
4. the polytheist god are a persons.
3 would be inaccurate.  The pantheist god isn't a person or person like.  It's everything or everything-like.  It intervenes as the others do not as a person of it's own volition but because there are many intervening agents in "everything".  

Quote:I get confused since sometimes, people tells me that god is love.
Well, that is a brainless thing. It isn’t a person.

Some people tell me that my god is science.
Well, that is a brainless thing. It isn’t a person.

Some people tell me that my gods are communist, Stalin, Mao Zadong, Pol Pot and atheists killed more people than christians.
Well, those are people but I don’t agree with the violence and hatred from Stalin, Mao Zadong, Pol Pot.
I guess us 4 have something in common.
All bad faith arguments from faithless people, imo. I'm assuming you're referring to abrahamics here..but, just as one example, if anyone calling themselves a christian tells you that god is something other than christ who suffered and died for your sins on the cross and was resurrected - then you're not talking to a christian. If they tell you god is not personal, or does not intervene, they're not christian. Amusingly, and as the fundies never get tired of telling anyone who will listen, most christians today..aren't. There's some nut who has a scale named after him that purports to determine whether or not some one has "a biblical faith" - and by their reckoning, less than 6% of people with children under 18 qualify - even though far more than 6% identify as such. That doesn't bode well for christianity, but it's a small bit of hope for the rest of humanity.

The song and dance about communist gods is in no way christian (christ was a communist, at least by his description) - it's political christianity - which was the engineer of the demise of religious christianity in the us. They basically fell on their own swords for fear of soviets under every bed, in every closet...and look at em now - wedded to a russian asset and dreams of a totalitarian state.

They never really believed in anything other than power, specifically their own, and how to maintain it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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