Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims

[ronedee]

It's sad and interesting how many justifications that can be made for killing what is obviously a baby.

With callous disregard, sarcasm ...and a straight face! 

That baby on the "table"?? Who could just watch it die? There is no Christian I know that wouldn't 
take that baby home and love it! And, to try and feel good about yourselves, by saying we wouldn't 
is not only patently false but diabolically perverse! I know many, many good people whose houses
are filled with "unwanted" children! And of every race! I can't find one atheist among them!

IF "your" abortion was unconditionally constitutional, which it isn't technically.... states would not be able to
stop it, and restrict abortion. As many now are doing with the "Heartbeat bill".

The reason? The Pro abortion advocates do not want to open a can of wormy truth. And "possibly"
lose ALL access to abortion through Roe being overturned.

The question again... that would be before the Supreme court: "Is the fetus a baby, with rights?"

And of course we all know the answer. 

Your god of science, is ironically proving The God more & more!

[Fake Messiah]

 That baby on the "table"?? Who could just watch it die? There is no Christian I know that wouldn't 
take that baby home and love it! And, to try and feel good about yourselves, by saying we wouldn't 
is not only patently false but diabolically perverse! I know many, many good people whose houses
are filled with "unwanted" children! And of every race! I can't find one atheist among them!

If only. There are plenty of Christians who are living in mansions and flying in private jets while millions of children are starving. They even collect money for them but use it instead to buy jewelry and limousines for themselves.

Just look at the case with Mother Teresa - like when she got $70 million every year for the poor in donations just so Christians can upgrade castles in the Vatican.

[John 6IX Breezy]

If only. There are plenty of Christians who are living in mansions and flying in private jets while millions of children are starving. They even collect money for them but use it instead to buy jewelry and limousines for themselves.

This sounds to me like the availability heuristic. Go to your local church, even a small one, and see what they're doing. More than likely they're hosting food drives, community services, and some other outreach programs.

With my churches I've personally gone to take food and sanitary packages to the homeless, we've gone to do disaster relief and cleanup after hurricanes, done game nights and singalongs at retirement homes, had bible studies and discussions with groups at low-income housing. Hosted activities for kids in bad neighborhood.

I'm not the most involved person around. I've done these things once or twice when I can go with a group of friends. But there's people that are highly invested that go every week and know the people in the community by name. One of my best friends is from Uganda and he has about six siblings, most of which were adopted. His parents go do missionary work over there, and they adopt an orphan whenever the opportunity presents itself.

These are all just regular people. Doing regular Christian things.

[Fake Messiah]

To me, it sounds like you have a deluded, idealistic idea that Christians are helping, when they are not, like this part

One of my best friends is from Uganda and he has about six siblings, most of which were adopted. His parents go do missionary work over there, and they adopt an orphan whenever the opportunity presents itself.

These are all just regular people. Doing regular Christian things.

Missionary work is already a faliure because it is imposing foreign culture and religion on other people.

And Uganda missionary work is especially notorious as a failure because Christians are spreading hate as well as bigotry there forcing their primitive worldviews on Ugandans

[John 6IX Breezy]

To me, it sounds like you have a deluded, idealistic idea that Christians are helping, when they are not, like this part

If I had to choose between the one actively participating on the ground, and the one who sits back watching edited videos with music for dramatic effect, I'm inclined to pick the one watching videos as most likely to be deluded. Wouldn't you agree?

I mentioned the availability heuristic earlier. I think we now know the cause of that—documentaries. They are availability factories. They search for the most salient moments, the loudest speakers, the most persuasive angles, and present them on a platter for you. They distort reality in such a way that you'd be better off considering them only as entertainment.

[Belacqua]

If only. There are plenty of Christians who are living in mansions and flying in private jets while millions of children are starving. They even collect money for them but use it instead to buy jewelry and limousines for themselves.

This sounds to me like the availability heuristic. Go to your local church, even a small one, and see what they're doing. More than likely they're hosting food drives, community services, and some other outreach programs.

With my churches I've personally gone to take food and sanitary packages to the homeless, we've gone to do disaster relief and cleanup after hurricanes, done game nights and singalongs at retirement homes, had bible studies and discussions with groups at low-income housing. Hosted activities for kids in bad neighborhood.

I'm not the most involved person around. I've done these things once or twice when I can go with a group of friends. But there's people that are highly invested that go every week and know the people in the community by name. One of my best friends is from Uganda and he has about six siblings, most of which were adopted. His parents go do missionary work over there, and they adopt an orphan whenever the opportunity presents itself.

These are all just regular people. Doing regular Christian things.

Oh, come on. Don't you even have a small private jet?

[Fake Messiah]

To me, it sounds like you have a deluded, idealistic idea that Christians are helping, when they are not, like this part

If I had to choose between the one actively participating on the ground, and the one who sits back watching edited videos with music for dramatic effect, I'm inclined to pick the one watching videos as most likely to be deluded. Wouldn't you agree?

I mentioned the availability heuristic earlier. I think we now know the cause of that—documentaries. They are availability factories. They search for the most salient moments, the loudest speakers, the most persuasive angles, and present them on a platter for you. They distort reality in such a way that you'd be better off considering them only as entertainment.

I better let professionals participate like UNICEF, Doctors without Borders, World Food Program, etc. help who needs help and not let Christians force their religion and bigotry down their throat so that they start killing each other, as they do now. Christians are not helping.

And yes you are deluded because you don't even want to acknowledge what they are doing but blame me for showing it here because all you care about is your religion and not people.

[John 6IX Breezy]

And yes you are deluded because you don't even want to acknowledge what they are doing but blame me for showing it here.

I'll acknowledge any data or observation you present as long as it is free of interpretation.

[The Architect Of Fate]

It's sad and interesting how many justifications that can be made for killing what is obviously a baby.

Nope, it's inspiring to see how many respect bodily autonomy and reject its obvious violation and sad to see how many embrace tyranny in the name of faith.

With callous disregard, sarcasm ...and a straight face! 

With reasonable detachment as oppose to unhinged emotionalism and zealous hunger for control.

That baby on the "table"?? Who could just watch it die? There is no Christian I know that wouldn't 

You have yet to prove that statement is in context. Plenty of  Christians are fine children dying.

take that baby home and love it! And, to try and feel good about yourselves, by saying we wouldn't 

I never said that, And their plenty of Christians who would snark "let the parent take care of it. It's none of my business"

is not only patently false but diabolically perverse! I know many, many good people whose houses
are filled with "unwanted" children! And of every race!

And there are even more whose houses are not despite their protests.

I can't find one atheist among them!

Plenty of Atheists adopt despite the unfair obstacles and blatant prejudice they face in trying. So this attempts to make theists seem like saints and atheists as devils fail.

IF "your" abortion was unconditionally constitutional, which it isn't technically.... states would not be able to
stop it, and restrict abortion. As many now are doing with the "Heartbeat bill".

It should be unconditional and the heartbeat bill is a travesty. It's solidly legal as it needs to be the states are simply undermining the law and reason.

The reason? The Pro abortion advocates do not want to open a can of wormy truth. And "possibly"
lose ALL access to abortion through Roe being overturned.

There is no Pro-Abortion there is only Pro-Choice. No, they don't want to open because the matter is settled and there is no reason to. Roe isn't going anywhere. The only people who want to open it are religious zealots who are obsessed with control and feelings.

The question again... that would be before the Supreme court: "Is the fetus a baby, with rights?"

Nope, the court will rule that the Fetuses rights if it has any don't extend to living someone's body against their will. Because that is the only rational answer.

And of course we all know the answer. 

Yes we do I have written it above 

Your god of science, is ironically proving The God more & more!

There is no "god of science" and science never proves your mystic nonsense it only refutes it.


Again your delusional prattle makes you look like a total nob.

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If I had to choose between the one actively participating on the ground, and the one who sits back watching edited videos with music for dramatic effect, I'm inclined to pick the one watching videos as most likely to be deluded. Wouldn't you agree?

I mentioned the availability heuristic earlier. I think we now know the cause of that—documentaries. They are availability factories. They search for the most salient moments, the loudest speakers, the most persuasive angles, and present them on a platter for you. They distort reality in such a way that you'd be better off considering them only as entertainment.

So no real counter then.

[arewethereyet]

This sounds to me like the availability heuristic. Go to your local church, even a small one, and see what they're doing. More than likely they're hosting food drives, community services, and some other outreach programs.

With my churches I've personally gone to take food and sanitary packages to the homeless, we've gone to do disaster relief and cleanup after hurricanes, done game nights and singalongs at retirement homes, had bible studies and discussions with groups at low-income housing. Hosted activities for kids in bad neighborhood.

I'm not the most involved person around. I've done these things once or twice when I can go with a group of friends. But there's people that are highly invested that go every week and know the people in the community by name. One of my best friends is from Uganda and he has about six siblings, most of which were adopted. His parents go do missionary work over there, and they adopt an orphan whenever the opportunity presents itself.

These are all just regular people. Doing regular Christian things.

Oh, come on. Don't you even have a small private jet?

I sure wish you would post more of these one-liners.  They are pretty funny.