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I have some questions for the posters here.
RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
Frank Apisa, dumber than linguica!
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
Well, you know, semantics usually makes for the end result of most forum debates.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: I have some questions for the posters here.
(June 24, 2021 at 5:49 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: If you want to think you KNOW there are no gods...

You're tilting at straw men. Atheism has exactly fuck all to do with knowledge. Anyone who does not believe in gawd(s) is an atheist. That includes you. Agnosticism says exactly fuck all about belief. It's about the knowledge position.

I do not believe in any gawds. That makes me an atheist. I do not claim to know that there are none. There simply isn't enough evidence to support the claim the theists make. That makes me agnostic as well as atheist. This is the reality of atheism. Like most everything else about humans, there's a spectrum.

Welcome to reality, Frank.

(June 24, 2021 at 3:55 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote:
(June 24, 2021 at 3:48 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Not believing in gods is exactly what makes a person, and the only thing that makes a person, an atheist.  Did you want to discuss some position, or air your grievance with accurate language?

So I can disregard all earlier comments, then, all seventeen pages, and then, having done that, discard the rest, as you're now reasserting that atheism is something it's not? 

Are you going to ask me what gave me that impression again, or just get on with the bit?

 
Atheists essentially want to assert that the word “atheism” derived from “a” without + theism “a belief in a god” = without a belief in a god.
 
But it did not!
 
In fact, if you check an etymological dictionary, you will see that “atheism” arrived in the English language almost 100 years BEFORE theism. It could not have derived that way.
 
Atheism comes to us from the Greek through the French…and actually means (approximately) "a" without + “theos” a god = without a god…NOT without a “belief” in a god.
 
Check it out…you will see I am correct on this.

Is English, like Latin, a dead language?
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(June 23, 2021 at 9:50 am)brewer Wrote:
(June 23, 2021 at 7:44 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Why not?  I keep seeing this asserted, never explained.

I'm surprised he hasn't come back and tossed religious philosophers at you.

Here's a Kant in your face, ya ninny. Don't make me Aquinas slap you again. I'm gonna Spinoza all over your ass. Hehe

Well, in order to see evidence for God's existence you'll need much more than reading phylosophers. You'll also need to recite Italian operas while biking through the French countryside. Wear a silk scarf. Attend art galleries at least three times a week. In other words, don't be a dumb American but be more like a middle-aged Eurotrash fag.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Trying to think of a philosophical position with less real life impact than 'no proof that no gods exist'. There probably are some, just can't think of any at this moment.

Also, I'm not convinced that defending this position (ad nauseum) somehow confirms intelligence.
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Quote:Is English, like Latin, a dead language?

Not dead, but it’s certainly coughing up blood at the moment.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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(June 24, 2021 at 6:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 24, 2021 at 5:44 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote: I weigh 150 pounds if soaking wet...and have almost no weight in muscle. If I played a rugby half...I'd be dead before "coming here."

You win that one.

And I weigh 15 and 5 (dry), and if I were to ever play a round of golf, I’d kill myself to save the family honour.

Boru

Well, then, you are welcome to join me for a round at any time, Boru.

(June 24, 2021 at 6:32 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Oh... he's Murrican!!
That explains it.

The murrican dictionary of "englich", aka, Merriam webster https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist:
Code:
atheist
noun

athe·ist | \ ˈā-thē-ist
\
Definition of atheist

: a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism


So far, it looks like what most people here are saying...
But wait!
There's more

Code:
More Definitions for atheist

atheist noun
English Language Learners Definition of atheist

: a person who believes that God does not exist

See the full definition for atheist in the English Language Learners Dictionary

atheist noun
athe·​ist | \ ˈā-thē-ist
\
Kids Definition of atheist

: a person who believes there is no God

I'm under the impression that in parts of Murrica only these latter definitions are taught and so people become convinced that they can say "I do not believe in the existence of any god and I'm not an atheist".


But you know that Mr Webster made his dictionary on purpose to distinguish Murrican englich from the Queen's English, hence the changes
Color, instead of colour
Neighbor, instead of neighbour
Side walk, instead of pavement
Underground, instead of subway
Tiger, instead of tigre
Meter, instead of metre
Fries, instead of chips
Chips, instead of crisps (not sure this one would have been a thing in the 1800s)
Realize, instead of realise
etc... you get the gist.

Aluminum vs aluminium is a different matter. I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader.  Goodnight

Yup...some reference works define it one way...some define it differently.

So...better to actually write out your position...and screw the descriptors that are ambiguous.

(June 25, 2021 at 12:05 am)Rahn127 Wrote: Is there anyone here who asserts, “No gods exist?”
I assert that from time to time. For me it holds the same value when I assert "There are no full size pink elephants in my car"

Is there anyone here who asserts that he/she KNOWS that no gods exist?
I know that no gods exist in much the same way that I know that no flying mermaids exist.

Is there anyone here who asserts that it is impossible for gods to exist?
I would assert that some definitions of certain gods are logically impossible.

Thank you for your response, Rahn.

(June 25, 2021 at 12:37 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: But since we're asking questions of posters I have two for you Frank;

1: What makes your definition hold more weight, and importance than others?

I do not think my definitions hold more weight than others. I simply indicate that my definition of ambiguous words are MY definitions. That makes it easy for intelligent people to respond.  


Quote:2: How do you manage to get banned from (so far) every forum I've found you on?
You have found me on this forum...and I am not banned. Do you write what you mean...or do you just type words?[/quote]

(June 25, 2021 at 1:25 am)Ravenshire Wrote:
(June 23, 2021 at 9:30 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Then you believe in god, lol. We can go round and round all day long!

Methinks he fails to grasp the distinction between gnostic/agnostic and theist/atheist.

If you people would just say what your position is...you would not have to do this descriptor dance...although I will acknowledge, is very amusing to watch the dances.

(June 25, 2021 at 1:34 am)Ravenshire Wrote:
(June 24, 2021 at 5:49 am)Frank Apisa Wrote: If you want to think you KNOW there are no gods...

You're tilting at straw men. Atheism has exactly fuck all to do with knowledge. Anyone who does not believe in gawd(s) is an atheist. That includes you. Agnosticism says exactly fuck all about belief. It's about the knowledge position.

I do not believe in any gawds. That makes me an atheist. I do not claim to know that there are none. There simply isn't enough evidence to support the claim the theists make. That makes me agnostic as well as atheist. This is the reality of atheism. Like most everything else about humans, there's a spectrum.

Welcome to reality, Frank.

(June 24, 2021 at 3:55 pm)Frank Apisa Wrote:  
Atheists essentially want to assert that the word “atheism” derived from “a” without + theism “a belief in a god” = without a belief in a god.
 
But it did not!
 
In fact, if you check an etymological dictionary, you will see that “atheism” arrived in the English language almost 100 years BEFORE theism. It could not have derived that way.
 
Atheism comes to us from the Greek through the French…and actually means (approximately) "a" without + “theos” a god = without a god…NOT without a “belief” in a god.
 
Check it out…you will see I am correct on this.

Is English, like Latin, a dead language?

If you think there are no people who assert "there are no gods"...you are detached from reality. No way you can welcome me  to reality from where you are.
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(June 25, 2021 at 10:59 am)Frank Apisa Wrote:
(June 24, 2021 at 6:32 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Oh... he's Murrican!!
That explains it.

The murrican dictionary of "englich", aka, Merriam webster https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist:
Code:
atheist
noun

athe·ist | \ ˈā-thē-ist
\
Definition of atheist

: a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism


So far, it looks like what most people here are saying...
But wait!
There's more

Code:
More Definitions for atheist

atheist noun
English Language Learners Definition of atheist

: a person who believes that God does not exist

See the full definition for atheist in the English Language Learners Dictionary

atheist noun
athe·ist | \ ˈā-thē-ist
\
Kids Definition of atheist

: a person who believes there is no God

I'm under the impression that in parts of Murrica only these latter definitions are taught and so people become convinced that they can say "I do not believe in the existence of any god and I'm not an atheist".


But you know that Mr Webster made his dictionary on purpose to distinguish Murrican englich from the Queen's English, hence the changes
Color, instead of colour
Neighbor, instead of neighbour
Side walk, instead of pavement
Underground, instead of subway
Tiger, instead of tigre
Meter, instead of metre
Fries, instead of chips
Chips, instead of crisps (not sure this one would have been a thing in the 1800s)
Realize, instead of realise
etc... you get the gist.

Aluminum vs aluminium is a different matter. I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader.  Goodnight

Yup...some reference works define it one way...some define it differently.

So...better to actually write out your position...and screw the descriptors that are ambiguous.

So do you agree that under some definitions of Atheist, you, as "a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods " are indeed an atheist?
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lol.

I don't suspect you'll last here much longer.


May FSM guide your travels, Frank.

RAmen
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(June 25, 2021 at 11:21 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: lol.

I don't suspect you'll last here much longer.


May FSM guide your travels, Frank.

RAmen

Thank you, NS.

I agree...I doubt the atheists here will allow me to stick around for much longer. Better to get some theists to argue with.

It has been fun, though. I stick it out for as long as I can...and hopefully, we can actually get some real discussions going on.
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