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RE: Weapons in hotel, Denver
July 12, 2021 at 5:07 pm
(July 12, 2021 at 4:50 pm)tackattack Wrote: Ok so what I hear on this one is:
1. Transporting guns in a disapproved manner - again
Firearms must be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided container and transported as checked baggage only. As defined by 49 CFR 1540.5 a loaded firearm has a live round of ammunition, or any component thereof, in the chamber or cylinder or in a magazine inserted in the firearm.
2. Not registered to carry at the destination. - again, assumed for some since they were charged as possession by previous offenders
we can add
3. Drugs for distribution and previous felonies
Sounds like the very best he was an irresponsible illegal gun owner and worst an irresponsible loon. Yup sounds like the right call again to arrest them as well. So why defend one but not the other?
I think people are getting hung up on intent. To my knowledge we're not policing thought crimes in their entirety yet. It may factor into sentence which it obviously should in these 2 incidences, IMO. Merely from the news article facts, if they're true seem to indicate guilt of both, I don't see how either could be defended.
Maybe we're not focusing on the right angle .... @onlinebiker How/Why would you transport a rack of guns across state lines to check into a hotel for a sporting event the next day?
First off - I would not go to Illinois. I don' t support states that believe they can take away Constitional Rights.
I have traveled with guns - including air travel with up to 5 weapons and over 1000 rounds of ammo.. No problems - except once in SeaTac I got pulled into a back room and scrutinized by a TSA supervisor who I correctly pegged as a former spook. A good guy. We actually ended up having a good debate about the virtues of .308 over .223.....
I use a double sided case with redundant locks.
I once had to open the case in the terminal to inspect it - as some idiot had cut off the padlocks ( I always left the built in combo locks unlocked - or they would destroy those) This DESPITE the attatched declaration sheet that stated the case contained cleared firearms.
It caused a minor panic. Several people ran away.
I HAD to inspect - no choice -for if the guns were missing I would have to report it.
Who cut the lock? Dunno. Probably just some whacko who wanted to fondle an AR-10.
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RE: Weapons in hotel, Denver
July 12, 2021 at 5:13 pm
Never had any issues transporting firearms, myself. It’s pretty simple to obey the law, even if that’s beyond some cretins.
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RE: Weapons in hotel, Denver
July 12, 2021 at 5:37 pm
(July 12, 2021 at 5:04 pm)Fireball Wrote: I can only speak from my experience on interstate transport of firearms. I worked in Florida for a few years, and flew back and forth to California upwards of 50 round trips. I checked my firearms at the counter, and demonstrated that they were unloaded. They then got in with the checked baggage. I'm pretty sure I didn't pack any ammo; I just don't remember, as the last time I took a firearm on a "trip" was in '06. The laws may have changed.
18 USC 926A is the relevant law. It's been law since 1986 IIRC.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926A
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RE: Weapons in hotel, Denver
July 12, 2021 at 6:40 pm
Once you're in your hotel room - YOU ARE NO LONGER TRANSPORTING.
You can indeed load your gun once in your room - as a hotel room is considered a domicile - the same as your home.
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Don't like the law?
Tough shit.
You don't get to make up new ones just because you don't like the old ones.
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RE: Weapons in hotel, Denver
July 12, 2021 at 7:57 pm
Well that's clearly in dispute.
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RE: Weapons in hotel, Denver
July 12, 2021 at 8:01 pm
I don’t know what to tell you man. You think that’s the way it is or the way it should be…but authorities in multiple states disagree.
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RE: Weapons in hotel, Denver
July 12, 2021 at 9:18 pm
(July 12, 2021 at 8:01 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I don’t know what to tell you man. You think that’s the way it is or the way it should be…but authorities in multiple states disagree.
Meth is a hell of a drug, man.
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RE: Weapons in hotel, Denver
July 12, 2021 at 9:35 pm
(July 12, 2021 at 7:57 pm)Helios Wrote: Well that's clearly in dispute.
Legally, it's really not. OLB would have you believe that once he's done traveling, and in his hotel room, the by god, this my domicile and local laws do not apply. In the particular example he has a hardon for, the perp in question did not have a valid Illinois firearm owner ID. If that guy had left his shit locked up, ammo separate as specified in the Federal law I cited, he has safe harbor from local prosecution. As soon as he unsecures his shit, the safe harbor of FOPA 1986 (the enabling legislation) no longer applies. The legal reality he describes does not exist.
I am am former Federal Firearms Licensee - that is to say, that I held a license to lawfully transfer and transport firearms in interstate commerce. OLB's imagination has got the better of him.
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RE: Weapons in hotel, Denver
July 12, 2021 at 10:03 pm
I already covered that.
An out of state visitor in Illinois DOES NOT NEED AN FOID CARD.... The link I posted to yhe STATE POLICE confirms that.
And quit posting regulations concerning TRANSPORT of firearms. They don' t apply to a hotel room.
But keep beating that fucking drum... Some of these morons will probably march....
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RE: Weapons in hotel, Denver
July 12, 2021 at 10:14 pm
You addressed it poorly and jack countered
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