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RE: Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?
July 27, 2021 at 10:24 pm
(July 27, 2021 at 7:28 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: (July 27, 2021 at 6:55 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Exactly the same, no. Similar in many aspects, yes. BTW, this really isn't helping you. Serfdom was only marginally less horrific.
Now let me ask you a question. Why is it that neither your god nor you messiah managed to utter a single word in opposition to slavery?
Because we're not talking about "slavery" we're talking about indentured servitude, which literally every society has, and to some extent still has.
No, we're talking about slavery. Read the book. The people getting bought, sold, inherited, captured in war, sexually molested, beaten, and killed are not simply debtors. If a debtor is gored by an ox it isn't the bank that gets paid 30 shekels of silver. Ironic that number.
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RE: Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?
July 27, 2021 at 10:37 pm
(July 27, 2021 at 10:24 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: (July 27, 2021 at 7:28 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Because we're not talking about "slavery" we're talking about indentured servitude, which literally every society has, and to some extent still has.
No, we're talking about slavery. Read the book. The people getting bought, sold, inherited, captured in war, sexually molested, beaten, and killed are not simply debtors. If a debtor is gored by an ox it isn't the bank that gets paid 30 shekels of silver. Ironic that number.
Servants HAD to be given thier freedom on jubilee no ifs ands or butts. Therefore they had a right to thier freedom after a certain amount of time. Slaves in America had ZERO have rights, they were slaves in perpetuity. So no we're NOT talking about slavery. I like how you guys keep dishonestly trying to frame it as such aka grasping at straws...🤣
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RE: Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?
July 27, 2021 at 10:39 pm
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At this point it hardly matters. He’s only making a list of terrible shit that he thinks is fine, so it’s fine if his god is fine with it.
That’s not an argument, it’s explicit agreement with the premise.
Oddly, he can’t even manage that without a hefty dose of bullshit. No Huggy, no one had to free their slaves, not even on a festival that happened once every 50 years. You’ve been sold a bill of goods. Jubilee was an apparatus of dynastic and ethnic control.
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RE: Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?
July 27, 2021 at 10:50 pm
(July 27, 2021 at 10:37 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: (July 27, 2021 at 10:24 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: No, we're talking about slavery. Read the book. The people getting bought, sold, inherited, captured in war, sexually molested, beaten, and killed are not simply debtors. If a debtor is gored by an ox it isn't the bank that gets paid 30 shekels of silver. Ironic that number.
Servants HAD to be given thier freedom on jubilee no ifs ands or butts. Therefore they had a right to thier freedom after a certain amount of time. Slaves in America had ZERO have rights, they were slaves in perpetuity. So no we're NOT talking about slavery. I like how you guys keep dishonestly trying to frame it as such aka grasping at straws...🤣
Quote:According to the post-exile rabbinic interpretation of Torah, observance of Jubilee only applied when the Jewish people live in the land of Israel according to their tribes. Thus, with the exile of the tribes of Reuben, Gad, and Manasseh (about 600 BCE), Jubilee has not been applicable.
~Wikipedia
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RE: Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?
July 27, 2021 at 10:54 pm
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It also only applied to Jewish people.
Foreigners couldn’t own land or slaves, and foreign slaves were just that…slaves. Jubilee terminated those leases foreigners could hold and reverted the land back to its Jewish owner by default no matter what arrangements or understanding had been made between the person and owner.
Literally none of this shit is legal or ethical.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?
July 27, 2021 at 10:55 pm
(July 27, 2021 at 10:39 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: At this point it hardly matters. He’s only making a list of terrible shit that he thinks is fine, so it’s fine if his god is fine with it.
That’s not an argument, it’s explicit agreement with the premise.
Says the guy who stated if he knew for a fact that his kid would grow up to commit genocide against millions he would allow it rather than have to take out his kid.
Which is worse, indentured servitude or genocide?
If my position is disgusting, you've held much worse.🤣
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RE: Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?
July 27, 2021 at 10:57 pm
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I leave the toilet seat up, too.
Doesn’t change the fact that you and your god support slavery.
Disgusting position, incompetent arguments.
You’re right, ofc, it would be pretty bad if one of my kids was going to pull the trigger on humanity. I’m just not the kind of guy who could off his kid or demand that someone else off his kid.
Speaking of things your god condones….
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?
July 27, 2021 at 11:01 pm
(July 27, 2021 at 10:57 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I leave the toilet seat up, too.
Doesn’t change the fact that you and your god support slavery.
Disgusting position, incompetent arguments.
If that make you feel better, knock yourself out.
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RE: Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?
July 27, 2021 at 11:51 pm
(July 27, 2021 at 10:37 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: (July 27, 2021 at 10:24 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: No, we're talking about slavery. Read the book. The people getting bought, sold, inherited, captured in war, sexually molested, beaten, and killed are not simply debtors. If a debtor is gored by an ox it isn't the bank that gets paid 30 shekels of silver. Ironic that number.
Servants HAD to be given thier freedom on jubilee no ifs ands or butts. Therefore they had a right to thier freedom after a certain amount of time. Slaves in America had ZERO have rights, they were slaves in perpetuity. So no we're NOT talking about slavery. I like how you guys keep dishonestly trying to frame it as such aka grasping at straws...🤣
Cite chapter and verse.
Pro tip: If a bunch of white dudes have a problem with the slavery in your religion then your religion has a problem.
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RE: Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?
July 28, 2021 at 1:37 am
(This post was last modified: July 28, 2021 at 2:10 am by Huggy Bear.)
(July 27, 2021 at 11:51 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: (July 27, 2021 at 10:37 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Servants HAD to be given thier freedom on jubilee no ifs ands or butts. Therefore they had a right to thier freedom after a certain amount of time. Slaves in America had ZERO have rights, they were slaves in perpetuity. So no we're NOT talking about slavery. I like how you guys keep dishonestly trying to frame it as such aka grasping at straws...🤣
Cite chapter and verse.
Pro tip: If a bunch of white dudes have a problem with the slavery in your religion then your religion has a problem.
Leviticus 25
10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
(July 27, 2021 at 10:50 pm)Angrboda Wrote: (July 27, 2021 at 10:37 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Servants HAD to be given thier freedom on jubilee no ifs ands or butts. Therefore they had a right to thier freedom after a certain amount of time. Slaves in America had ZERO have rights, they were slaves in perpetuity. So no we're NOT talking about slavery. I like how you guys keep dishonestly trying to frame it as such aka grasping at straws...🤣
Quote:According to the post-exile rabbinic interpretation of Torah, observance of Jubilee only applied when the Jewish people live in the land of Israel according to their tribes. Thus, with the exile of the tribes of Reuben, Gad, and Manasseh (about 600 BCE), Jubilee has not been applicable.
~Wikipedia
Think about this real hard... why would Jewish law apply anywhere else but in thier own nation? Do you think they were dealing with many Servants while captive to the Babylonians/Persians
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