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Sodom found?
#41
RE: Sodom found?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_art...erculaneum

Erotic art in Pompeii and Herculaneum



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(September 30, 2021 at 2:14 pm)Jackalope Wrote:
(September 30, 2021 at 2:11 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I think Soddom was the town of "Pompeii":

https://www.britannica.com/place/Pompeii

Homosexual art was discovered there and the town perished by a rain of fire from a volcano erupting.
Its people froze like statues under volcanic ash; actually when they were discovered their bodies were carbon copied by the Italian archeologists into the museum.

That seems exceptionally unlikely considering Pompeii was destroyed in 79 CE.

Maybe I was wrong, or the history of the birth of Jesus himself was rigged by Rome. I would never trust a Hadith -either an Arab or a Roman- writer, ancient people had many wrong dates.
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#42
RE: Sodom found?
(September 30, 2021 at 12:36 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(September 29, 2021 at 9:28 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire

Sexual immortality? And the sexually moral guy was the one who fucked his daughters. You should really find some other moral book that is actually moral.

Every human being is flawed but for the grace and mercy of GOD... "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" - Romans 3:23. If possible one should be honest with oneself regarding this... "For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God." - 1 Corinthians 2:11; all this certainly notwithstanding the cosmic reality of GOD's law illuminating and having dominion over the matter. 

To draw another factual comparison (identifiable and applicable if one actually reads and understands the Biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah and its aftermath in relation to the few inhabitants that mercifully escaped - instead of summarily highlighting the acts of a couple of folks in an apparent attempt to detract from the core message/s)... do you think that every person ever marooned on an island or some other remote location because of some unforeseen circumstance - consequently resorting to one desperate and arguably objectionable measure or the other (like cannibalism) ever intended - particularly prior to reaching said location - to feast on human flesh?

The truthful and candid inclusion to / revelation of a human act/s (that are apparently what they are in this fallen world), though GOD is the Judge of all - does not and cannot negate the veracity, accuracy and purity of the Holy Scriptures.



(September 29, 2021 at 9:28 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: The words of the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST: 
"And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!” - Mark 6:11

Jesus sounds awfully lot like an Egyptian tomb.

The Lord JESUS, the CHRIST - The LOGOS of GOD - is many things Wonderful (Isaiah 9:6)... including the Truth, and He truthfully declares (as in Mark 6:11 above and throughout Scripture), and declared... what was, what is, and what will be! 

... and then you rendered your assessment.

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"For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. “Therefore turn and live!” - Ezekiel 18:32
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#43
RE: Sodom found?
(September 24, 2021 at 8:50 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I think a lot of Biblical stories and other myths have grains of truth in them....tiny though they may be.  It's that shred of truth that the believers cling to and try to use as 'proof'.

Mythology always stems from humans making up stories based mostly upon a misunderstanding of reality. But also the powers that be also use it to over conflate their importance.

Just like New York City and San Francisco are very real cities, but just because we can go to the movies and see Superman fly around them, doesn't make Superman real.

So yea, you are correct. But that is the same worldwide in all of human history. The bible is certainly full of real people and real places, but theists wrongfully conflate that to meaning the supernatural is a real thing.
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#44
RE: Sodom found?
(September 30, 2021 at 2:16 pm)WinterHold Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_art...erculaneum

Erotic art in Pompeii and Herculaneum



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(September 30, 2021 at 2:14 pm)Jackalope Wrote: That seems exceptionally unlikely considering Pompeii was destroyed in 79 CE.

Maybe I was wrong, or the history of the birth of Jesus himself was rigged by Rome. I would never trust a Hadith -either an Arab or a Roman- writer, ancient people had many wrong dates.

Actually, the date of the destruction of Pompeii isn’t open to serious debate. It coincides we other events we don’t have serious doubts about.

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#45
RE: Sodom found?
(September 30, 2021 at 2:16 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Maybe I was wrong, or the history of the birth of Jesus himself was rigged by Rome. I would never trust a Hadith -either an Arab or a Roman- writer, ancient people had many wrong dates.

There's no difference between the method of attribution and attestation between hadith and quran.  If you give reason to distrust one, and say it's compelling to you, it stands in as equivalently compelling distrust of the other.

Good luck.
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#46
RE: Sodom found?
(September 30, 2021 at 2:16 pm)WinterHold Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_art...erculaneum

Erotic art in Pompeii and Herculaneum



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(September 30, 2021 at 2:14 pm)Jackalope Wrote: That seems exceptionally unlikely considering Pompeii was destroyed in 79 CE.

Maybe I was wrong, or the history of the birth of Jesus himself was rigged by Rome. I would never trust a Hadith -either an Arab or a Roman- writer, ancient people had many wrong dates.


Your Islam bequeathed wish thinking and resistance to real knowledge knows no bounds
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#47
RE: Sodom found?
(September 29, 2021 at 9:28 pm)Mercyvessel Wrote: Diligent research will irrefutably show that there are a number of other substantive Biblical findings akin to the above.  A number will remain unconvinced by and unbelieving in the written Word, and by corroborating evidence, until their end or the end of the age. 

The words of the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST: 
"And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!” - Mark 6:11

The Holy Bible identifies Sodom and Gomorrah and its previously surrounding cities as "examples" to the rest of the world!

"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." - Jude 1:6-7 (2 Peter 2:6).


What do you mean? That other cities have had a comet explode over them?
Yes, I understand that there is the Sodom and Gomorah story in the pages of the Bible. But how do you tell the difference between a natural disaster and one that is caused by gods and aliens?

For example, if the gods and aliens start a major forest fire or maybe a lightning starts up a major forest fire, how can people 1000 y in the future tell what started that forest fire?
I suppose if I was living 1000 y in the future, I could take a look at the VHS cassette tapes. Maybe a bunch of news channels talk about the forest fire but none of them mention that it was caused by gods and aliens.

What if I look at the cassettes made by christian priests. Perhaps a person like Pat Robertson and Robert Tilton would say that the jewish god started the forest fire.

So, who should I believe? The news agencies or the priests?

Let’s say that the Bible is a religious news report written by jewish priests. Where are the other books? The books written by stone age CNN, the one written by stoneage BBC?
It looks like no such agencies existed back then.

It’s normal. There was no global communication channel, no planes, no cars, no cameras, and no news agency companies. Good, reliable information, coming from multiple sources, from before 1900 is hard to find.
Before the telegraph, wireless telegraph, cars, planes were invented. It was a major hassle to transmit data.


Mark 6:11 and Jude 1:6 seems to be using fear.
I prefer to have an intelligent conversation rather than being motivated by threats of violence.

I recommend that you stop living in fear.
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