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RE: Why does God care about S E X?
October 26, 2021 at 9:14 pm
(October 26, 2021 at 6:49 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: (October 20, 2021 at 9:48 am)Ahriman Wrote: God would rather you masturbate than have sex with strange females. If you can't find a consistent sex partner, you're better off going solo. This is not unjustified.......the more females you have sex with, the greater your risk of getting a disease, plus getting a bunch of females pregnant would be a nightmare. God is just watching out for you, when He wants to "restrict" your sex life. Although you're free to do what you want. I know a lot of people would rather act like monkeys than dignified human beings.
You presented 2 problems:
1. risk of getting a disease
2. getting a bunch of females pregnant
and you stated a goal that the god has
1. God is just watching out for you
So, that goal can be achieved by eliminating diseases or not creating the diseases or making humans immune to those microorganisms + viruses.
Why has this god been able to solve problem #1?
For the pregnancy, why not just offer a switch? Let's say the switch is somewhere on your left shoulder.
When you turn off the switch, the woman doesn't release an egg.
A man can have a switch as well. When he turns off the switch, no sperm cells would be released.
Why has this god been able to solve problem #2?
Never ceases to amaze me at the large numbers of believers who claim to know what god wants and thinks. God's wishes tend to coincide exactly with the wishes, fears and prejudices of the person making the idiotic claim.
Why idiotic? So far no one has ever managed to demonstrate that god (any god) exists or does not.
Another view is that the Abrahamic god has several infinite attributes. As such, we would be less than fleas on a dog to he/she/it/ they.. We would have far less luck communicating with him than those fleas with their dog . The dog also gives far more the the fleas than any god has ever been shown to give human beings. Makes perfect sense to me, what with god(s) probably not existing and all.
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RE: Why does God care about S E X?
October 26, 2021 at 9:19 pm
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(October 20, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Caring is an invalid word to use for an omniscient being. Caring entails directing one's limited attention/resources/thoughts to something, except that all God's properties are unlimited.
So your question is a category mistake to begin with.
Don't give me that crap. Theists are always using words to describe god's nature with one breath, while unreasonably in the next breath they contradict themselves by claiming that god cannot be understood by the limitations of the human mind. Which is it, because this is getting old.
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RE: Why does God care about S E X?
October 26, 2021 at 10:24 pm
(October 26, 2021 at 9:14 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: (October 26, 2021 at 6:49 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: You presented 2 problems:
1. risk of getting a disease
2. getting a bunch of females pregnant
and you stated a goal that the god has
1. God is just watching out for you
So, that goal can be achieved by eliminating diseases or not creating the diseases or making humans immune to those microorganisms + viruses.
Why has this god been able to solve problem #1?
For the pregnancy, why not just offer a switch? Let's say the switch is somewhere on your left shoulder.
When you turn off the switch, the woman doesn't release an egg.
A man can have a switch as well. When he turns off the switch, no sperm cells would be released.
Why has this god been able to solve problem #2?
Never ceases to amaze me at the large numbers of believers who claim to know what god wants and thinks. God's wishes tend to coincide exactly with the wishes, fears and prejudices of the person making the idiotic claim.
Why idiotic? So far no one has ever managed to demonstrate that god (any god) exists or does not.
Another view is that the Abrahamic god has several infinite attributes. As such, we would be less than fleas on a dog to he/she/it/ they.. We would have far less luck communicating with him than those fleas with their dog . The dog also gives far more the the fleas than any god has ever been shown to give human beings. Makes perfect sense to me, what with god(s) probably not existing and all.
They are acting on intuition, I guess. They care for their fellow human beings and look out for them and so, they think that god is nice guy like them, he looks out for people's well being.
I heard it from Tracy from the Atheist Experience show: "Ever noticed how god likes the same people you like and he hates the same people you hate?"
Quote:Why idiotic? So far no one has ever managed to demonstrate that god (any god) exists or does not.
There is a lot of people that I can't prove that don't exist. I can't prove that gods, smurfs, Disney's Gummy Bears, Thundercats, elves, angels, ...
I can't even prove that I don't have a sister.
Maybe I can show all my family photos. Maybe you interview all the people I know.
If the government keeps a registry of all people born, then it becomes easier to prove she does not exist.
Also, how can I change my post?
I wanted to write
Why has this god NOT been able to solve problem #1?
Why has this god NOT been able to solve problem #2?
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RE: Why does God care about S E X?
October 27, 2021 at 12:21 am
(October 26, 2021 at 9:19 pm)Foxaire Wrote: (October 20, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Caring is an invalid word to use for an omniscient being. Caring entails directing one's limited attention/resources/thoughts to something, except that all God's properties are unlimited.
So your question is a category mistake to begin with.
Don't give me that crap. Theists are always using words to describe god's nature with one breath, while unreasonably in the next breath they contradict themselves by claiming that god cannot be understood by the limitations of the human mind. Which is it, because this is getting old.
Of course. There are university courses where they learn to do that.IE argue that the bible doesn't actually say what it says.
The broad field is presuppositional theology. That can be divided further into apologetics, which can be divided again into Biblical Hermeneutics and Exegesis.
It's literally Machiavellian.
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RE: Why does God care about S E X?
October 27, 2021 at 7:50 am
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I think he's trying to prove that his god doesn't give a shit...that tracks.
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RE: Why does God care about S E X?
October 27, 2021 at 9:02 am
If god doesn't care, then he wasn't the one who made the rules. I can agree with that.
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RE: Why does God care about S E X?
October 30, 2021 at 1:13 pm
(October 20, 2021 at 2:57 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (October 20, 2021 at 6:36 am)Ten Wrote: Boru brought up a good point in the Gay thread and I thought we could dive deeper with the question as the actual focus.
Why does god care about our genitals so much?
It's one of the things that really influenced my incredulity and atheism that a god would be so focused on our genitals and what we're doing with them. I know in Mormonism, the focus on sexual purity and repression is part of the BITE model programming for the cult(sex being such a natural part of being human, you can influence and control people by making them feel guilt and shame around this natural instinct they'll never be free from) and a core part of the doctrine(you can't have trans or gay folks because the model for the planetary rewards in the afterlife is Adam and 5+ Eves; The harem god factory doesn't work with Adam and 5+ Steves or if Eve was assigned male at birth, although it'd probably be more fun to run around an empty planet with a bunch of very gay god sex happening). So, I understand for that religious cult why they focus on genitals so much.
But why does god have this focus in other religions?
Because genitals in humans are the engine of life itself.
All of us are products of genital function. Matter in fact, try to look at the process of reproduction from an absolute perspective: it is a miracle, and the sensation we get from it is the natural attraction for us to engage in this act and keep the future of humanity alive.
Yet; just like all other "features" humans have; this comes in with a price:
1-Female humans get pregnant with new souls from this act.
2-Addictive chemicals fill the human brain and in many cases it can lead to violence.
3-Addiction to the act can lead to long-term mutations to the brain -such as the case in homosexuality-.
4-Showing the act to children can also cause them traumas and long-term -if not long lasting- complications.
A God that wouldn't regulate and talk about sex is an obsolete, ignorant God. A false God; in other words.
You used the word “price”, to indicate that these 4 items are the problems.
And you also included the line
“A God that wouldn't regulate and talk about sex is an obsolete, ignorant God. A false God; in other words.”
which translates to
“These are the problems and the jewish god has a solution.”
(Side note: WinterHold states in his profile that he is a muslim.)
So, the logic follows the typical problem -> solution pattern.
Let me solve these problems more efficiently. I will solve the problem in a permanent way. In other words, these problems will not bother society anymore.
1. Put an ON/OFF switch on the females. This way, the female can choose whether she wants to get pregnant or not.
2. There is no need for females to get pregnant. Males can have sex with females for the pleasure of both of them. If they want to have a child, then the stork or some kind of vending machine can output a baby or deliver a baby to the couple or individual.
3. So, I have solved problem 1 with my 1 and 2.
4. Your #2 was discussed with you and other members.
For the sake of argument, let’s assume that your claim is true.
The solution is for the god to fix the human brain so that sex does not lead to violence. Since he doesn’t do it, we can conclude that he is not interested in fixing problems. He is the creator of problems.
(Side note: Maybe this god likes to create problems so that he won’t feel obsolete.
No, it is definitely not an ignorant god. He knows that he is creating problems.
I have noticed that he is the trouble maker. Have you noticed it?)
Who knows, maybe one day humans will fully understand how the brain works and will be able to reprogram it. Perhaps we can reprogram the brain of the jewish god so that it functions properly.
5. Your #3 was discussed with you and other members.
The solution to your #3 is my #4.
6. For your #4, the solution is the same as my #4.
And I’ll say this again:
I have noticed that the jewish god is the trouble maker. Have you noticed it?
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RE: Why does God care about S E X?
October 30, 2021 at 1:57 pm
Apparently, god's favorite color is penis, and god has to monitor every shade.
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RE: Why does God care about S E X?
November 11, 2021 at 1:44 am
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God caring for sex probably has to do with the subjugation of women, like this excerpt from more conservative (Christian) times testifies
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Why does God care about S E X?
November 11, 2021 at 7:37 am
STI's/STD's were for the most part untreatable until modern medicine. It's possible that humans made the 'god proclamations', at least in part, to prevent the spread of disease.
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