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RE: Oakland School Shooting
December 1, 2021 at 11:45 am
(December 1, 2021 at 11:41 am)onlinebiker Wrote: (December 1, 2021 at 11:36 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If he took the gun without his father’s permission or knowledge, it was stolen - access to the safe seems immaterial. If you have a houseguest and one night they walk off with your TV, they’ve stolen it even though they had your permission to be in the house and access to your television.
Boru When televisions become deadly they will have to write a law covering liabilities of those.
By giving the kid access to the safe the father negates any right to protection from liability by way of the exemption.....
But the gun was stolen from a locked safe. Who had the combination ( or how they got it) seems immaterial.
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RE: Oakland School Shooting
December 1, 2021 at 11:48 am
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2021 at 11:54 am by onlinebiker.)
To clarify -- if you leave your guns unlocked - and someone breaks in and steals them - you the gun owner can be held criminally and civilly liable for those guns misuse.
The ONLY exemption is if they are stolen from a locked gun safe.
So if you give someone access - you can ( and should) be held liable if they access and misuse your guns.
(December 1, 2021 at 11:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 1, 2021 at 11:41 am)onlinebiker Wrote: When televisions become deadly they will have to write a law covering liabilities of those.
By giving the kid access to the safe the father negates any right to protection from liability by way of the exemption.....
But the gun was stolen from a locked safe. Who had the comb8ination ( or how they got it) seems immaterial.
Boru It absolutely is material.
If I give you the combination - I give you access. If you have access - you can take the gun - and I cannot claim it is stolen.
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RE: Oakland School Shooting
December 1, 2021 at 12:40 pm
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I'm all for punishing bad storage of arms, but I think OB is trying to change the subject away from America's gun culture problem, and make it all a "storage problem".
This wasn't a toddler accidentally picking up a loaded firearm. This was a 15 y/o who decided to murder.
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RE: Oakland School Shooting
December 1, 2021 at 12:49 pm
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(December 1, 2021 at 12:40 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: I'm all for punishing bad storage of arms, but I think OB is trying to change the subject away from America's gun culture problem, and make it all a "storage problem".
This wasn't a toddler accidentally picking up a loaded firearm. This was a 15 y/o who decided to murder.
And I think you are making some pretty stupid assumptions.
I want to see those responsible held liable.
You want to see ALL GUN OWNERS punished.
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RE: Oakland School Shooting
December 1, 2021 at 1:24 pm
But, allowing the public to own firearms keeps you safe!
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RE: Oakland School Shooting
December 1, 2021 at 2:23 pm
They just announced on the radio that a 4th teen has died as a result of his injuries and one student is on a ventilator after surgery.
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RE: Oakland School Shooting
December 1, 2021 at 3:15 pm
Quote:And I think you are making some pretty stupid assumptions.
I want to see those responsible held liable.
You want to see ALL GUN OWNERS punished.
You then proceed to make a stupid assumption about Happy
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RE: Oakland School Shooting
December 1, 2021 at 5:21 pm
(December 1, 2021 at 3:15 pm)Helios Wrote: Quote:And I think you are making some pretty stupid assumptions.
I want to see those responsible held liable.
You want to see ALL GUN OWNERS punished.
You then proceed to make a stupid assumption about Happy
The dick swinging contest aside, the fact remains. Yet again, children have been murdered at their school.
Since 1970, there have been over 100 school shootings in the US. Yet from the left we have yet more impotent rage. From the right the mantra remains "Fuck you, don't take my gun(s)"
As an outsider it seems clear these shootings will continue until there is the political will to restrict gun ownership and to dismantle the fraught US gun culture. I am reminded once again that (imo) the US gun culture is based on the wilful misinterpretation of the Second Amendment.
The gun owners of America seem willing to accept an indefinite number of dead children ,so long as they get to keep their guns. My response to that situation is a kind of bemused contempt.
But hey, I'm only a foreigner, how can I possibly understand? I live in a country with strict gun control legislation. A country which has never had a school shooting. A country in which the people are not afraid of our politicians.
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RE: Oakland School Shooting
December 1, 2021 at 6:11 pm
(December 1, 2021 at 5:21 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: As an outsider it seems clear these shootings will continue until there is the political will to restrict gun ownership and to dismantle the fraught US gun culture. I am reminded once again that (imo) the US gun culture is based on the wilful misinterpretation of the Second Amendment.
The Supreme Court has weighed in on the second amendment, and decided that right to arms includes their use for self defense, as well as defense of the state.
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RE: Oakland School Shooting
December 1, 2021 at 6:29 pm
(December 1, 2021 at 6:11 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: (December 1, 2021 at 5:21 pm)Oldandeasilyconfused Wrote: As an outsider it seems clear these shootings will continue until there is the political will to restrict gun ownership and to dismantle the fraught US gun culture. I am reminded once again that (imo) the US gun culture is based on the wilful misinterpretation of the Second Amendment.
The Supreme Court has weighed in on the second amendment, and decided that right to arms includes their use for self defense, as well as defense of the state.
I'm aware of the Supreme Court rulings and this did not change my opinion. The logic has always escaped me . Mercifully, I had the great good fortune to be born in Australia. 
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