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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 5:33 pm
(October 19, 2022 at 4:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Getting fed up with a lot of this rubbish. This isn’t a complicated war: Russia invaded Ukraine. Large swaths of the world have condemned the invasion and are assisting in Ukraine’s defense.
There really isn’t a lot more to it than that. Ukraine cozying up to NATO doesn’t justify the invasion. Neither does alleged Ukrainian corruption, the ‘de-nazification’ of Ukraine, the establishment of a Greater Russia - nothing.
Jeezus pleezus, this isn’t rocket surgery. It’s pretty clear who the bad guys are.
Boru People seem to be desperate to overcomplicate what's straightforward and apply nuisance where there is none. Sometimes there is really just a bad guy who wants to do evil. I get America has lied about wars in the past . But in this case, this hyper skepticism is dangerous and unnecessary and is exactly what monsters like Putin are counting on to paralyze his enemies into inaction.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 6:35 pm
(October 19, 2022 at 3:18 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: there can’t be any place for unreliable sources of information or disinformation as we call it. If one goes into disinformation, or poor sources of information (anything other than most trustworthy, professional and independent media sources across the world, who present verifiable information in a clearly understandable and rational manner) you won’t understand anything actually.
I'm curious which sources of information you would recommend as accurate.
This might explain why our views on things are so different.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 6:43 pm
Quote:Leonardo17 Wrote: Wrote:there can’t be any place for unreliable sources of information or disinformation as we call it. If one goes into disinformation, or poor sources of information (anything other than most trustworthy, professional and independent media sources across the world, who present verifiable information in a clearly understandable and rational manner) you won’t understand anything actually.
I'm curious which sources of information you would recommend as accurate.
This might explain why our views on things are so different. His source is reality while yours is the Greyzone.... 
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 9:00 pm
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 9:10 pm
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 19, 2022 at 11:32 pm
I don't know who Mitch is, but he's a perfect example of why it's a bad idea to let the bass player talk.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 4:04 am
(October 19, 2022 at 4:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Getting fed up with a lot of this rubbish. This isn’t a complicated war: Russia invaded Ukraine. Large swaths of the world have condemned the invasion and are assisting in Ukraine’s defense.
There really isn’t a lot more to it than that. Ukraine cozying up to NATO doesn’t justify the invasion. Neither does alleged Ukrainian corruption, the ‘de-nazification’ of Ukraine, the establishment of a Greater Russia - nothing.
Jeezus pleezus, this isn’t rocket surgery. It’s pretty clear who the bad guys are.
Boru Its part of the "we dont know, therefore russian lies are worth just as much as anything else", and people like Bel are in, line hook, and sinker.
Its not that complicated, and here is not 99% misinformation out there. The guys conning fools like Bel, they make people like him believe.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 4:19 am
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(October 19, 2022 at 9:00 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Irish MEP Mick Wallace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjQCXyzDRPM
I don’t understand the complaint that Ukraine's allies are trying to ‘undermine’ Russia. I mean, isn’t this the game we’ve all been playing for the last hundred years or so?
Of COURSE the West want to undermine Russia. I don’t see this as a bad thing. Undermine morning, moon and night. Undermine with every fibre of your being. Undermine like the safety, security and prosperity of the Russian people depend on it.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 6:37 am
(October 19, 2022 at 4:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Getting fed up with a lot of this rubbish. This isn’t a complicated war: Russia invaded Ukraine. Large swaths of the world have condemned the invasion and are assisting in Ukraine’s defense.
There really isn’t a lot more to it than that. Ukraine cozying up to NATO doesn’t justify the invasion. Neither does alleged Ukrainian corruption, the ‘de-nazification’ of Ukraine, the establishment of a Greater Russia - nothing.
Jeezus pleezus, this isn’t rocket surgery. It’s pretty clear who the bad guys are.
Boru
All true, but Russia won't be going away, even if its armed forces leave Ukraine.
So it is good to know exactly why they are doing this so that some lasting peace can be found with a proper agreement between the two neighboring countries.
Just saying that they are the bad guys won't solve anything, unless we (the West, NATO, the US) are willing to (invade? and) take over Russia's government.... which I' guessing we're not.
Of course, us discussing these things here will lead to nothing on the greater scheme of things. We are at the mercy of our politicians... that's their job and that's why we put them there.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 20, 2022 at 6:38 am
Looks like Russia has switched from fighting enemy troops in the field to targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure.
What an evil NATO plot! 
Martial law in effet in the occu iberated regions. I wonder how the US forced Putin to do this.
Probably part of a plan to make Putin depopulate certian regions, so they can be populated with westerners (after having destroyed Russia)
Lebensraum im Osten!
What a nefarious western plot!
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