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Russia and Ukraine
RE: Russia and Ukraine
Haven't been keeping up with this war.

I don't willingly submit myself to the news, but sometimes on FB or at work on a resident's Fox television channel it is unavoidable.

So it's still going on?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(June 7, 2023 at 10:06 pm)Helios Wrote: So let's go over this silliness shall we 



Quote:You don't get it. It's a battle of "demons VS demons". We have a saying in Arabic:
كالمستجير من الرمضاء بالنار
"Like the one who swaps fire with a scolding ground".
No, we don't we have two different sides with one being the vastly lesser of two evils. 
The Middle East says otherwise.
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Quote:Standing with Russia "gog and magog" burns. But standing with the west also burns.
Both are fatal.
And I give you a historical example: which was better for Afghanistan? the Russian flames or the Western scolding grounds ?
Nope, the West will be fine it's Russia that's the shit shape. Considering the West poured billions of dollars into developing Afghanistan and you know trying to give them basic human rights and it gets them back to a state before the Taliban took over while Russia just burned the place to the ground and committed countless atrocities. Not saying the West's intervention in Afghanistan was flawless rarely are wars nice but comparing Russia's unrestrained brutality to the West's well-meaning but flawed occupation is silly the Russians have more in common with the Taliban. 

The soviet invasion brought unforgettable horrors to Afghanistan, just like the American invasion.
If Americans were any better, Afghanies would not kick them out.




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Quote:Putin is not a Muslim who fears Allah. Putin is a bastard Mafia thug. Just like the west blows dams, Putin will do the same, beliave me I'm an Arab who experienced both the "Western fire" and the "Russian scolding ground".
You have yet to prove they blow up the Dam and don't even think of speaking for all Arabs I have known many Arabs most of them reject your mindset.

False flags are carried by Intelligence Agencies, so they're so hard to pinpoint. All you have left is speculation and looking at historical incidents.

So my historical incident was the "Nord Stream" incident, which was a false flag carried by Ukranians, the CIA even knew about the plot:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20...ine-report


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Quote:But Kherson's dam? Western fingerprints are allover it.
No, it doesn't it wouldn't make a lick of sense for the West to blow up the damn it makes perfect sense for Russia too as one of Russia's war goals has been disrupting Ukrainian infrastructure, and blowing up a damn that part of the power grid makes perfect sense from that perspective.

It makes total sense too that Ukranians (who are known to  blow infrastructures to embarrass Russia like the Nord Stream incident to take vengeance on the criminality of Russia's bombings on their civilians).

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Quote:Putin's response will include a bigger disaster. This thug has no limits (maybe a nuclear accident)? the nuclear station is already in his hands.
Just like the Western powers.

كالمستجير من الرمضاء بالنار
Putin has limits and he won't do anything Nuclear because he is not completely off with the fairies and knows the unforeseen consequences messing with something so deadly might bring about. Nuclear energy is not something one takes lightly.

That's where my theory comes: this guy -Putin- has a bigger plot and hidden allies (like China and NK) who are waiting for the perfect chance to strike. They studied western moves for decades, and have the arsenals to hit in the right time.

Their plan is eliminating the Dollar itself and replace it with their currency, this will not happen except a Nuclear War emerges, and they win in it.
Remember how America itself became power number 1 along with the Dollar. They had to nuke Japan.
Russia & China will nuke the west to emerge supreme AKA WW3.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
Quote:The Middle East says otherwise.
The middle east is a  diverse place with diverse opinions stop making a whole region a monolith 


Quote:The soviet invasion brought unforgettable horrors to Afghanistan, just like the American invasion.
Nope won brought horrors the other brought hospitals and schools and billions of dollars of foreign aid which now that it's gone is killing Afghans left and right. 


Quote:If Americans were any better, Afghanies would not kick them out.
 Afghanies didn't kick the West out. The Taliban and their supporters did. 


Quote:False flags are carried by Intelligence Agencies, so they're so hard to pinpoint. All you have left is speculation and looking at historical incidents.

So my historical incident was the "Nord Stream" incident, which was a false flag carried by Ukranians, the CIA even knew about the plot:

That's pure nonsense. It's never been proven who did it and everyone has a theory. 


Quote:It makes total sense too that Ukranians (who are known to  blow infrastructures to embarrass Russia like the Nord Stream incident to take vengeance on the criminality of Russia's bombings on their civilians).
Again it's your baseless speculation vs proven war goals by the Russian military there is a reason they have been hitting power plants. A Dam that generates power would be a perfect target in the same vein and it wouldn't make any sense for Ukraine to do more damage to itself to simply get back at Russia when they could do that in any number of less self-harming ways. 


Quote:That's where my theory comes: this guy -Putin- has a bigger plot and hidden allies (like China and NK) who are waiting for the perfect chance to strike.

China is not going to do shit and Noth Korea can barely feed its own populous let alone wage war on a global scale. This is some Red Dawn nonsense. 



Quote:They studied western moves for decades, and have the arsenals to hit in the right time.
No they fucking haven't. Put down the Ton Clancy Novels. Neither China nor North Korea is ever going to challenge the West directly. China relies too heavily on Western investment and North Korea barely has an economy let alone one that could handle any kind of war. 



Quote:Their plan is eliminating the Dollar itself and replace it with their currency, this will not happen except a Nuclear War emerges, and they win in it.
Will never happen in the long run. No one going to invest in the Ruble or The Yuan long term the Currency have long a history of instability compared to the Dollar.  



Quote:Remember how America itself became power number 1 along with the Dollar. They had to nuke Japan.
Nope, America became the number 1 power by its economic might and industrial capacity which no country at the time even came close to rivaling. The Japanese Empire didn't even come close to this neither did  Nazi Germany whose economies were built totally on forced labor and plundering the territories they captured and was far from sustainable. Hell Japan only did Pearl Harbor because they knew they couldn't challenge the US Navy openly. 



Quote:Russia & China will nuke the west to emerge supreme AKA WW3.

No, they won't they would emerge a pair of radioactive wastelands along with the rest of the earth because no one wins in a nuclear war and everyone flipping dies which is why no one has been crazy enough to do it.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
Winter, you appear to be unclear on what the term false flag refers to. If nord stream were a false flag, that would mean you were accusing russia..not ukraine.

Ukraine blowing up russian shit is just ukraine blowing up russian shit.
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Not Kakhovka Dam alone: Russia destroys dams in occupied Zaporizhzhia oblast

While western media largely ‘play safe’ and report that Kyiv and Moscow ‘are blaming each other’ for the horrific disaster, the Russian invaders are actively destroying other dams in occupied parts of Zaporizhzhia oblast.

It is not only the warnings since October 2022 that Russia might destroy the Kakhovka Dam, and, more recently, that the invaders were overfilling the dam, that cast doubts over Russia’s attempts to blame Ukraine for the catastrophic disaster now unfolding in Kherson oblast. Russia is also either building or destroying dams in occupied parts of Zaporizhzhia oblast, with its aim clearly to flood the territory and thus impede the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ anticipated counter-offensive.

The Centre for Journalist Investigations [CJI], citing local residents, reported on 7 June that the Russian invaders are either destroying dams on reservoirs or erecting them to ensure that the water overflows and floods roads and fields. It is assumed that the aim is to create bog-like conditions in the hope that this will prevent the advance of Ukraine’s Armed Forces.

https://khpg.org/en/1608812358
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
From russias point of view, the only thing catastrophic about blowing the dam is that it didn't work. There are probably more than a few of the western trained brigades that got a quick and dirty rip-alike training. A flood like this can be a gift. Now you don't have to land on well mined and well cleared bank with no cover and run uphill under fire in the mud towards an enemy with structure cover. You can park your riverine boats directly behind flooded structure cover hundreds of m inside the previous contact line and offload. Ranger god approves.

Ukraine already owned that river and had already made preparations for riverine operation in kinburn spit...russia had no way to get anything in there to contest that, then they did what, made the area of control bigger, gave ukranian boats freer and larger range of ingress? With enemies like this..who needs friends?

(and...I know, I know, we're thinking of the humanitarian disaster, and we all feel for people stuck on roofs...but that's not really a useful or even prudent way to think about what happens during a war.)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
From ISW:

Quote:The destruction of the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant (KHPP) dam is significantly changing the geography and topography of the Kherson frontline sector in southern Ukraine. Near-infrared (NIR) imagery captured at 0400 am ET on June 7 indicates that the flooding is heavily disrupting Russian prepared defensive positions on the east (left) bank of the Dnipro River – especially affecting Russian first-line positions in Hola Prystan and Oleshky. Various sources reported that Oleshky, Hola Prystan, Kozacha Laheri, and Dnipryany are almost entirely flooded with water levels rising to the height of a one-story buildings in some areas.[1] The Ukrainian headquarters established to remediate the consequences of the dam’s destruction reported that as of June 7 29 settlements are partially or fully flooded, 19 of which are located on the Ukrainian-controlled territory and 10 on Russian occupied territories.[2] Russian sources published footage indicating that water had begun receding in Nova Kakhovka and had dropped by 30cm.[3] Russian sources also claimed that water levels decreased by three to four meters in some areas from a high of 10 meters.[4] Water levels in nearby Mykolaiv City reportedly increased by 70cm as of June 7.[5] Flooding will likely worsen and further change the geography in Kherson Oblast over the next 72 hours.

The destruction of the KHPP dam is affecting Russian military positions on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River. The flooding has destroyed many Russian first line field fortifications that the Russian military intended to use to defend against Ukrainian attacks. Rapid flooding has likely forced Russian personnel and military equipment in Russian main concentration points in Oleshky and Hola Prystan to withdraw. Russian forces had previously used these positions to shell Kherson City and other settlements on the west (right bank) of Kherson. Ukrainian Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Nataliya Humenyuk stated that Russian forces relocated their personnel and military equipment from five to 15 kilometers from the flood zone, which places Russian forces out of artillery range of some settlements on the west (right bank) of the Dnipro River they had been attacking.[6] The flood also destroyed Russian minefields along the coast, with footage showing mines exploding in the flood water.[7] Kherson Oblast Occupation Head Vladimir Saldo, however, claimed that the destruction of the KHPP is beneficial to the Russian defenses because it will complicate Ukrainian advances across the river.[8] Saldo’s assessment of the situation ignores the loss of Russia’s first line of prepared fortifications. The amount of Russian heavy equipment lost in the first 24 hours of flooding is also unclear.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgro...ct-updates

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RE: Russia and Ukraine
Begs the question, did russian command see literally every flood projection and think..."Nah, the experts are all wrong, this is totally going to go our way instead!".

If so, it's on par with "we'll be greeted as liberators"...and we all know how that panned out.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
(June 7, 2023 at 10:33 pm)WinterHold Wrote:
(June 7, 2023 at 10:06 pm)Helios Wrote: So let's go over this silliness shall we 



No, we don't we have two different sides with one being the vastly lesser of two evils. 
The Middle East says otherwise.
Quote:Nope, the West will be fine it's Russia that's the shit shape. Considering the West poured billions of dollars into developing Afghanistan and you know trying to give them basic human rights and it gets them back to a state before the Taliban took over while Russia just burned the place to the ground and committed countless atrocities. Not saying the West's intervention in Afghanistan was flawless rarely are wars nice but comparing Russia's unrestrained brutality to the West's well-meaning but flawed occupation is silly the Russians have more in common with the Taliban. 

The soviet invasion brought unforgettable horrors to Afghanistan, just like the American invasion.
If Americans were any better, Afghanies would not kick them out.




Quote:You have yet to prove they blow up the Dam and don't even think of speaking for all Arabs I have known many Arabs most of them reject your mindset.

False flags are carried by Intelligence Agencies, so they're so hard to pinpoint. All you have left is speculation and looking at historical incidents.

So my historical incident was the "Nord Stream" incident, which was a false flag carried by Ukranians, the CIA even knew about the plot:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20...ine-report


Quote:No, it doesn't it wouldn't make a lick of sense for the West to blow up the damn it makes perfect sense for Russia too as one of Russia's war goals has been disrupting Ukrainian infrastructure, and blowing up a damn that part of the power grid makes perfect sense from that perspective.

It makes total sense too that Ukranians (who are known to  blow infrastructures to embarrass Russia like the Nord Stream incident to take vengeance on the criminality of Russia's bombings on their civilians).

Quote:Putin has limits and he won't do anything Nuclear because he is not completely off with the fairies and knows the unforeseen consequences messing with something so deadly might bring about. Nuclear energy is not something one takes lightly.

That's where my theory comes: this guy -Putin- has a bigger plot and hidden allies (like China and NK) who are waiting for the perfect chance to strike. They studied western moves for decades, and have the arsenals to hit in the right time.

Their plan is eliminating the Dollar itself and replace it with their currency, this will not happen except a Nuclear War emerges, and they win in it.
Remember how America itself became power number 1 along with the Dollar. They had to nuke Japan.
Russia & China will nuke the west to emerge supreme AKA WW3.

You don’t actually know what a ‘false flag operation’ is, do you?

Boru

Oops. What Nudger said.
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(June 8, 2023 at 12:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 7, 2023 at 10:33 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The Middle East says otherwise.

The soviet invasion brought unforgettable horrors to Afghanistan, just like the American invasion.
If Americans were any better, Afghanies would not kick them out.





False flags are carried by Intelligence Agencies, so they're so hard to pinpoint. All you have left is speculation and looking at historical incidents.

So my historical incident was the "Nord Stream" incident, which was a false flag carried by Ukranians, the CIA even knew about the plot:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20...ine-report



It makes total sense too that Ukranians (who are known to  blow infrastructures to embarrass Russia like the Nord Stream incident to take vengeance on the criminality of Russia's bombings on their civilians).


That's where my theory comes: this guy -Putin- has a bigger plot and hidden allies (like China and NK) who are waiting for the perfect chance to strike. They studied western moves for decades, and have the arsenals to hit in the right time.

Their plan is eliminating the Dollar itself and replace it with their currency, this will not happen except a Nuclear War emerges, and they win in it.
Remember how America itself became power number 1 along with the Dollar. They had to nuke Japan.
Russia & China will nuke the west to emerge supreme AKA WW3.

You don’t actually know what a ‘false flag operation’ is, do you?

Boru

Oops. What Nudger said.

Well, he also didnt understand central european racism towards slavic people either. What else did you expect from him?
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