Theist with Questions

[Paleophyte]

It's reasonably well documented that you can have an NDE without ever being ND. That either means that god allmighty can't tell the difference between heart burn and heart attack or that all you're looking at are the hallucinations of a panicked brain.

Ketamine.

That's one way to fly but chemically impairing the brain doesn't prove much. Sure, you can produce a similar effect but how reliable are the reports from people tripping their balls off? Not that the "control" group is the epitome of concrete evidence. But when you get some bloke who has an NDE over a bad burrito that he thinks is a heart attack it's pretty obvious that it's all in his panicked little head. There's nothing impairing these people other than their own imaginations and panic.

[The Grand Nudger]

Alot of nde reports are made by people who were nowhere near death in the first place.

[Ranjr]

Clearly we need a study.  Put a group of volunteers in cardiac arrest, shock them back to life, and ask them what they remember.  It would help if we could measure brain activity at the edge of death.  So many scientific inquiries boil down to measurement challenges.

I'll post sign up sheets in the dorms.

[arewethereyet]

Clearly we need a study.  Put a group of volunteers in cardiac arrest, shock them back to life, and ask them what they remember.  It would help if we could measure brain activity at the edge of death.  So many scientific inquiries boil down to measurement challenges.

I'll post sign up sheets in the dorms.

I'll pass on that...already did it.  Don't recall much of anything but what I do recall was all real.

[Ranjr]

"Sweetheart, why did you let them put me on the ambulance naked?"

"They tried to get your clothes on but you kept fighting them off.  Where did you learn that stuff?"

"I guess church."

[Jehanne]

Clearly we need a study.  Put a group of volunteers in cardiac arrest, shock them back to life, and ask them what they remember.  It would help if we could measure brain activity at the edge of death.  So many scientific inquiries boil down to measurement challenges.

I'll post sign up sheets in the dorms.

NDEs are rare. In the verdicality experiments, the test is one of remote viewing of concealed objects in which a patient has experienced a myocardial infarction. No one has succeeded in identifying any remotely concealed object with NDEs overall being in low percentage teens.

[Pat Mustard]

Anybody remember Sam Parnia's AWARE study from c 10 years back. That should have killed the idea of NDEs stone dead. Despite changing the methodology and criteria for acceptable evidence on at least two occasions all the study could point to was a former heart attack patient who could "recall" doctors trying to resucitate him a number of years after the heart attack. Said recollection read like an episode of ER and not what actually happens in such an event.

Of course before eventually releasing the study, Parnia sat on it for four years after completing it, there were plenty of interim reports which read "you won't believe the evidence we gathered of NDEs and the afterlife"; whereas the report was slipped out with no fanfare or publicity.

[Jehanne]

Anybody remember Sam Parnia's AWARE study from c 10 years back. That should have killed the idea of NDEs stone dead. Despite changing the methodology and criteria for acceptable evidence on at least two occasions all the study could point to was a former heart attack patient who could "recall" doctors trying to resucitate him a number of years after the heart attack. Said recollection read like an episode of ER and not what actually happens in such an event.

Of course before eventually releasing the study, Parnia sat on it for four years after completing it, there were plenty of interim reports which read "you won't believe the evidence we gathered of NDEs and the afterlife"; whereas the report was slipped out with no fanfare or publicity.

Professor Parnia is a scientist first, believer second. When a believer of a phenomenon can find no evidence for it, you know that it is bunk.