How important are you?

[Deesse23]

You have told us in the past that you have a medically diagnosed disorder.

Well yeah but bipolar disorder isn't a personality disorder.

Your reading comprehension sucks. As does your trolling.

[onlinebiker]

It depends on who you ask.

Exactly.

Importance is like velocity.


It' s totally dependant on the viewpoint of an observer..

[vulcanlogician]

Well yeah but bipolar disorder isn't a personality disorder.

Your reading comprehension sucks. As does your trolling.

A mood disorder is different from a personality disorder.

[tackattack]

@OP

Who cares about importance? I think that really is a worthless question. Almost any valuation of importance requires an "other" perspective. I find my self relatively above average in both empathy and intellect, but that doesn't make me important. I find myself compassionate and prone to act on other's behalf, but that doesn't make me important either. The only thing that makes me important to me is that I have my own unique perspective.

@Ahriman Bipolar isn't a personality disorder, it's genetic... is there a history of mental illness in your family? It seems that Cyclothymic Disorder would be a closer proximation to the front you've paraded around here, which would usually come with a plethora of other indicators like dependent and borderline personality disorder, which you have also shown symptoms of. I'm no clinician though and don't speak for any group but myself, but I think the group consensus is you should probably seek some help with clarity on that.

[Angrboda]

OP: you've got an internal perception of your self worth, then there is external perception of your worth by others IRL. Your actual self worth/importance is somewhere in between. If your internal perception radically conflicts with IRL perception by others it's going to create some problems for you. This, in part, is of how personality disorders are identified. I believe your behavior indicates that you have one.

Not sure if you were saying this directly to OP or whether this is something that applies generally to all....

"you've got an internal perception of your self worth, then there is external perception of your worth by others IRL. Your actual self worth/importance is somewhere in between."

I want to say that there are some rich and powerful narcissists out there who are surrounded by people who value them highly. In this case, with that particular individual I's say their actual self worth may lie outside those two parameters. Likewise, you may have a nerdy kid with low self esteem who is surrounded by people who ridicule and devalue him. Same deal: actual self worth is not in between others' view and the nerdy kids own view of self worth.

Well, yes, and many of those narcissists would be diagnosable as having a personality disorder. Your counter-example isn't a counter-example. I think it's a bit silly suggesting Ahriman has a personality disorder, especially considering that he has a verifiable Axis 1 diagnosis of bipolar disorder, but your defense isn't particularly helpful.

[vulcanlogician]

Not sure if you were saying this directly to OP or whether this is something that applies generally to all....

"you've got an internal perception of your self worth, then there is external perception of your worth by others IRL. Your actual self worth/importance is somewhere in between."

I want to say that there are some rich and powerful narcissists out there who are surrounded by people who value them highly. In this case, with that particular individual I's say their actual self worth may lie outside those two parameters. Likewise, you may have a nerdy kid with low self esteem who is surrounded by people who ridicule and devalue him. Same deal: actual self worth is not in between others' view and the nerdy kids own view of self worth.

Well, yes, and many of those narcissists would be diagnosable as having a personality disorder.  Your counter-example isn't a counter-example.  I think it's a bit silly suggesting Ahriman has a personality disorder, especially considering that he has a verifiable Axis 1 diagnosis of bipolar disorder, but your defense isn't particularly helpful.

I didn't really say that in regards to Ahriman. It was a response to Brew (in the case as he meant it as something that applies generally.) I just wanted to discuss the principle of the thing.

Ahriman is on ignore, I just scroll right past. I read the OP. That's it. So I've missed big swaths of the personality disorder conversation.

[brewer]

OP: you've got an internal perception of your self worth, then there is external perception of your worth by others IRL. Your actual self worth/importance is somewhere in between. If your internal perception radically conflicts with IRL perception by others it's going to create some problems for you. This, in part, is of how personality disorders are identified. I believe your behavior indicates that you have one.

Not sure if you were saying this directly to OP or whether this is something that applies generally to all....

"you've got an internal perception of your self worth, then there is external perception of your worth by others IRL. Your actual self worth/importance is somewhere in between."

I want to say that there are some rich and powerful narcissists out there who are surrounded by people who value them highly. In this case, with that particular individual I's say their actual self worth may lie outside those two parameters. Likewise, you may have a nerdy kid with low self esteem who is surrounded by people who ridicule and devalue him. Same deal: actual self worth is not in between others' view and the nerdy kids own view of self worth.

What?

The rich and powerful have attained the self worth that they internally hold and the people around them recognize and reward that persons internal self worth (for the most part). Not all of the rich and powerful people actions/traits are necessarily admired. They become worthy only in specific aspects. Before you disagree, think about Donald Trump.

The nerdy kid holds an internal self worth and, whether low or high, will depend on the interaction with society around them and it's judgements. Surround him/her with other nerds-no problem, isolate them-no problem , surround with others who don't share the same societal values-conflict. Before you disagree think about Trisomy 21 individuals. They typically hold a great internal self worth, society almost always has a different view.

An individual can believe in their own internal self worth all they want till the cows come home. If that conflicts with the society that they live in/interact with, that's typically where problems develop. Isolate them from society, no problems. Institutions (isolation) are full of anti-social's, borderlines, schizophrenics and genetics.

You also need to consider if the individual can accurately perceive the feedback they are getting from others. Some can't, or refuse, to acknowledge the feedback that is accurate on a societal basis.

In Ahri's case, go back and look at his posts, many which contain magical thinking and a cognitive deficit regarding the interaction (outcomes/values) with others.

My original post was specifically regarding Ahri. It was not meant to be a blanket view of all individuals.

[brewer]

Your reading comprehension sucks. As does your trolling.

A mood disorder is different from a personality disorder.

They can both exist at the same time. It makes for an interesting dance.

[arewethereyet]

I have tried to interact with Ahriman. Many times. He doesn't appear to be on this forum to actually have discussions with the other members.

[brewer]

@OP

Who cares about importance? I think that really is a worthless question. Almost any valuation of importance requires an "other" perspective. I find my self relatively above average in both empathy and intellect, but that doesn't make me important. I find myself compassionate and prone to act on other's behalf, but that doesn't make me important either. The only thing that makes me important to me is that I have my own unique perspective.

@Ahriman Bipolar isn't a personality disorder, it's genetic... is there a history of mental illness in your family? It seems that Cyclothymic Disorder would be a closer proximation to the front you've paraded around here, which would usually come with a plethora of other indicators like dependent and borderline personality disorder, which you have also shown symptoms of. I'm no clinician though and don't speak for any group but myself, but I think the group consensus is you should probably seek some help with clarity on that.

Um..... no. It can be both genetic and/or environmental.

I will note that' I'm impressed that you are aware of cyclothymia. But I think that in addition to bipolar (which I'm not convinced of based on his behavior here, I've not seen any real cyclying) I think Ahri demonstrates some schizotypal traits which includes his magical thinking.

If you want to observe cycling look at Winters posts. (no offense Winter, we've discussed this in the forum before)