Mitt Romney Is Kinda Stupid

[The Architect Of Fate]

The government does things for the COLLECTIVE good - not for individual dead beat pissants who would rather buy a new gaming system than pay loans they are morally obligated to pay.

Stopping people from going into poverty IS A COLLECTIVE GOOD !!!!

[The Architect Of Fate]

"Moral" is for theists and philosophers.  If you want to play that card, question the morality of those who would tie down a kid with no financial experience.

I would argue that's abhorrent and immoral 

[The Architect Of Fate]

That's an evergreen question when it comes to the concerns of nuts.

I think it goes back to what Boru said in the OP: “Doing things that make your constituents lives better isn’t a bribe. It is - literally - your fucking job.” The more I look at politics, the more convinced I become that not only does the right (especially in America) reject that premise, but that rejection is the defining characteristic; everything else follows from that. If anything they do benefits anyone besides themselves, plutocrats, the police/military/anyone who makes their living with firearms, and maybe hate groups, it's almost certainly by accident.

Some people think everyone is an island and don't see the bigger picture 

[Rev. Rye]

I think it goes back to what Boru said in the OP: “Doing things that make your constituents lives better isn’t a bribe. It is - literally - your fucking job.” The more I look at politics, the more convinced I become that not only does the right (especially in America) reject that premise, but that rejection is the defining characteristic; everything else follows from that. If anything they do benefits anyone besides themselves, plutocrats, the police/military/anyone who makes their living with firearms, and maybe hate groups, it's almost certainly by accident.

Some people think everyone is an island and don't see the bigger picture 

And some people are, frankly, psychopaths. The sort of people who balk at ideas like loan forgiveness or people not having the right to force their children to breathe in toxic gases.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Some people think everyone is an island and don't see the bigger picture 

And some people are, frankly, psychopaths. The sort of people who balk at ideas like loan forgiveness or people not having the right to force their children to breathe in toxic gases.

And some people are willing to get fucked by the system then treat it like it's some kind of virtue and complain that other people won't put up with the same.

[Ranjr]

I would argue that's abhorrent and immoral 

I owe my soul to the company store.

[The Architect Of Fate]

I would argue that's abhorrent and immoral 

I owe my soul to the company store.

Not sure you can sell that 

[Rev. Rye]

[John 6IX Breezy]

Doing things that make your constituents lives better isn’t a bribe. It is - literally - your fucking job.

Boru

Hmmm well it does sound like a bribe—we'll give you money if you give us your vote. What meaningful difference is there between forgiving student loans and forgiving auto loans? The end result is financially the same for the individual: Less debt.

Unfortunately, I don't follow political debates enough to know what it all entails. But unless the reform is to make education free, and unless that change is implemented first, then what does forgiving student loans do besides buying votes?

And if your intent is to bribe, then at least offer auto and mortgage alternatives for those who don't have student debt. It'll make your constituents lives better all the same.

[The Architect Of Fate]

We can solve the current student debt crisis without proposing education reform at this time, And no that doesn't make it a bribe.