THE Gun Thread

[tackattack]

Houston is instituting a voluntary buyback. https://abc13.com/houston-gun-buyback-pr.../12082688/ The odds of it reducing mass shootings and suicides... low the odds of it reducing homicides... 0% the odds of it boosting someone's political mechanizations 100%. Now I think I remember in NZ a mandatory buyback happening.... that seemed to reduce gun violence overall. That would bring me to a conclusion that anyone willing to turn over their broken and unwanted guns is much more likely to have the ability to maintain the guns, secure the guns, and not use the guns illegally. Why have voluntary buybacks other than election material?

[Rev. Rye]

Gun buybacks can work. Australia had one in the mid-90s that wound up greatly reducing gun deaths. That said, when you do the gun buyback scheme at such a small scale as America tends to do, you’re probably less likely to see the sort of results Australia’s had. Even if Houston is the fourth-largest city in the nation, it’s probably not going to move the needle that far, especially when not combined with legislation to limit the amount of guns brought back into circulation after the buyback.

Even on the off chance Houston did pass gun control laws, if the city of Galveston did nothing, it’s just 50 miles away from a major city where it’s easier to get a gun. Earlier in this thread, I mentioned that the reason Chicago has so much gun crime in spite of comparatively strict (for the US) gun laws is that it’s easy as shit for a gun runner from Chicago to just drive to a state with more lax laws. When I drove back home from Wisconsin the other day, I decided to time how long it took to get from the state line to my home in Skokie (just north of Chicago.) It was 35:40. That’s how long it took me to go home from a place with more lax laws. It might take more time if you’re based out of the city proper, but still, it’s easy as shit if you’ve got the will to do a little driving. And my dad and I have crossed that border over a hundred times in my life without getting stopped by the cops once. And in the hypothetical gun running situation I posited between Houston and Galveston, you wouldn’t even have the inconvenience of differing state laws.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Houston is instituting a voluntary buyback. https://abc13.com/houston-gun-buyback-pr.../12082688/ The odds of it reducing mass shootings and suicides... low the odds of it reducing homicides... 0% the odds of it boosting someone's political mechanizations 100%.  Now I think I remember in NZ a mandatory buyback happening.... that seemed to reduce gun violence overall. That would bring me to a conclusion that anyone willing to turn over their broken and unwanted guns is much more likely to have the ability to maintain the guns, secure the guns, and not use the guns illegally. Why have voluntary buybacks other than election material?

NZ’s programme wasn’t a buyback in the usual sense. It was more of an amnesty plan so people could hand in recently outlawed types of weapons before they were charged with illegal possession. It did almost nothing to reduce gun offenses. 

In general, gun buybacks are going to be much more effective if they occur after a country has a gun registry already in place.

Boru

[arewethereyet]

Per tack's link - a $200.00 gift card for an automatic rifle? Hell, you can make a lot more than that in a private sale. You could get more trading it for drugs.

Unless people are desperate for a bit of cash, I don't see this as terribly effective.

Who is going to line up for this?

[The Grand Nudger]

Law enforcement buyback programs are common, because they work. No where near the scale of a federal (or federally funded) program, ofc - one foot in front of the other. The mechanism is simple. The vast majority of the guns that show up in trace data are older handguns and revolvers. Firearms that people have shown themselves willing to part with for a 50$ gift card - for example...and yes, the kind of people who would sell a guy who just got out for armed robbery are often the same kinds of people who would sell a gun for small amounts of drugs. Every gift card they give away (most of which are not acquired at full price) is a 50$ handgun that some asshole will never get the opportunity to buy. When the tools of the trade become less available, the work product decreases.

Can you offer more? Yep. Works even better for a wider range of firearms. Can you offer less? Sure can. You can give them nothing. They'll still bring them in - disposal. I honestly can't figure out why nuts hate this solution. It's not a ban, or added restrictions. It's not a confiscation. You might even get some chick fil a out of the deal. Hell, even the anti-gun crowd get's pissy about this...but it doesn't take any filibuster proof legislation to do...so.......

: shrugs :

[arewethereyet]

I'm not against buybacks. I just see that someone wanting to get rid of a functional firearm can find a better deal.

It's better than a sharp stick in the eye but I don't see that it's going to do much to reduce the number of guns in Texas.

[onlinebiker]

Law enforcement buyback programs are common, because they work.  No where near the scale of a federal (or federally funded) program, ofc - one foot in front of the other.  The mechanism is simple.  The vast majority of the guns that show up in trace data are older handguns and revolvers.  Firearms that people have shown themselves willing to part with for a 50$ gift card - for example...and yes, the kind of people who would sell a guy who just got out for armed robbery are often the same kinds of people who would sell a gun for small amounts of drugs.  Every gift card they give away (most of which are not acquired at full price) is a 50$ handgun that some asshole will never get the opportunity to buy.  When the tools of the trade become less available, the work product decreases.

Can you offer more?  Yep.  Works even better for a wider range of firearms.  Can you offer less?  Sure can.  You can give them nothing.  They'll still bring them in - disposal.  I honestly can't figure out why nuts hate this solution.  It's not a ban, or added restrictions.  It's not a confiscation.  You might even get some chick fil a out of the deal.  Hell, even the anti-gun crowd get's pissy about this...but it doesn't take any filibuster proof legislation to do...so.......

: shrugs :

If older guns and revolvers are the problem - why do anti- gun forces focus on new semi auto handguns and rifles?


Blame one, ban the other.

Typical....


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Gun buy backs are just politicians wasting taxpayer money to make old white people feel safe... ( and to fill out cops personal gun collections....)

[The Grand Nudger]

If older guns and revolvers are the problem - why do anti- gun forces focus on new semi auto handguns and rifles?


Blame one, ban the other.

Typical....


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It's an endless cycle of loons like yourself saying crazy shit that leads to reactionary pushback...which causes loons like you to come up with even crazier shit.  On and on, ad infinitum.  Probably plays into why anti gun nuts aren't too keen on buybacks either.  They're no longer confidant that crazy can be trusted with a gun, period - and the perfect (in their mind) has become the enemy of the good.

Gun buy backs are just politicians wasting taxpayer money to make old white people feel safe... ( and to fill out cops personal gun collections....)

Or.....they do exactly what they say they do, at an incredibly low cost point to john q.  50/50.  



It isn't going to be the anti gun nuts that fuck this up for everybody. It's going to be you. People who complain that this or that solution would be unconstitional (which..largely, they would not be). Rejecting any means of effecting the situation as overreach. When someone does come up with something that is well and plainly constitutional, and has a demonstrable effect - you say loon shit and stomp your feet about that too. "Look!", sane people say to me "this nutter isn't going to accept anything. May as well ban em all". You're all such poor ambassadors for gun ownership that the best thing you could do for gun ownership - is remain silent. Unfortunately, like ron white said - you may have the right..but not the ability.

[onlinebiker]

Typical Sludger fuckabout...

No answers . just insults and an insistsnce of being right.

Edit to add..

You are such an arrogant cunt.


To you anyone who doesn' t agree with you is " a loon".

[The Grand Nudger]

People disagree with me all day every day without being loons. That's voluntary - you could stop at any time.

Couldn't you?