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RE: How to 100% remove myself from Catholicism
September 4, 2022 at 10:34 pm
(September 4, 2022 at 9:41 pm)Fireball Wrote: (September 4, 2022 at 7:42 pm)Jehanne Wrote: No, that would make you a sinner; to be separated from the Church requires a formal excommunication.
One used to be able to apply for "defection"- nice concept- and if done properly (by their standards) one could be then considered Not A Catholic. Excommunication still involves an action of the RCC. Fuck the RCC. Ahriman does have a point about the "spirit" of Catholicism, though. That would be one point in a row, though.
As it is all intrinsic bullshit, I would not give it another thought.
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RE: How to 100% remove myself from Catholicism
September 5, 2022 at 7:59 am
I know it isn't recognized by the Church, but you can get a free de-baptism certificate from American Atheists.
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RE: How to 100% remove myself from Catholicism
September 5, 2022 at 8:29 am
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I was looking in the Canon Law of how to get your ties with that pedophilia club annulled, and this is what I found so far
Quote:BOOK VI.
SANCTIONS IN THE CHURCH
PART II.
PENALTIES FOR INDIVIDUAL DELICTS
TITLE I.
DELICTS AGAINST RELIGION AND THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH (Cann. 1364 - 1369)
Can. 1364 §1. Without prejudice to the prescript of can. 194, §1, n. 2, an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication; in addition, a cleric can be punished with the penalties mentioned in can. 1336, §1, nn. 1, 2, and 3.
§2. If contumacy of long duration or the gravity of scandal demands it, other penalties can be added, including dismissal from the clerical state.
Can. 1365 A person guilty of prohibited participation in sacred rites (communicatio in sacris) is to be punished with a just penalty.
Can. 1366 Parents or those who take the place of parents who hand over their children to be baptized or educated in a non Catholic religion are to be punished with a censure or other just penalty.
Can. 1367 A person who throws away the consecrated species or takes or retains them for a sacrilegious purpose incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See; moreover, a cleric can be punished with another penalty, not excluding dismissal from the clerical state.
Can. 1368 A person who commits perjury while asserting or promising something before ecclesiastical authority is to be punished with a just penalty.
Can. 1369 A person who in a public show or speech, in published writing, or in other uses of the instruments of social communication utters blasphemy, gravely injures good morals, expresses insults, or excites hatred or contempt against religion or the Church is to be punished with a just penalty.
So maybe you could go to the church and throw the holy wafer on the floor and step on it during the mass. Or take the holy wafer from the mass, nail it to the tree in front of the church and write 666 on it with a sharpie, and make sure that few people see you, they will report it to the priest and you'll get excommunicated.
That said, I know several Catholic families who couldn't get a priest for a funeral because they didn't give any money to the church for a couple of years (so they had to pay first for those years). So I guess if you don't pay, they don't consider you to be Catholic anymore.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: How to 100% remove myself from Catholicism
September 5, 2022 at 10:37 am
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You are like an ex police officer who stopped doing police work. All you got left is your police badge...........
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RE: How to 100% remove myself from Catholicism
September 5, 2022 at 11:04 am
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In the Catholic faith, excommunication means you cannot receive the church sacraments. Interpreted in an orthodox way, it means you can never enter heaven, as the sacraments are required for grace, and only the Bishops and their appointed priests can administer them. Presumably the grace lasts only about 7 days and needs to be topped up regularly
Let them believe their imaginary blood magic done with wine. The Protestants believe that God's grace comes directly from the Holy Spirit, and not through the bishops and the sacraments. Few Protestant converts seems to care about what the RC church thinks.
If you've become an atheist or agnostic, just don't go to church. It doesn't matter if they consider you one on their roles.
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RE: How to 100% remove myself from Catholicism
September 5, 2022 at 12:19 pm
All good replies so far.
Physically and mentally, I'm no longer Catholic (As I don't attend church. Nor do I believe in the Catholic Church's teachings).
However, for political reasons (which I don't want to get into), I want to become officially non-Catholic. I don't like the idea that the Catholic Church still technically claims me (and makes it difficult to impossible to officially leave)
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RE: How to 100% remove myself from Catholicism
September 5, 2022 at 12:41 pm
(September 5, 2022 at 12:19 pm)FormerCatholic Wrote: All good replies so far.
Physically and mentally, I'm no longer Catholic (As I don't attend church. Nor do I believe in the Catholic Church's teachings).
However, for political reasons (which I don't want to get into), I want to become officially non-Catholic. I don't like the idea that the Catholic Church still technically claims me (and makes it difficult to impossible to officially leave)
I did a little Googling around. Apparently, the Church has made it more difficult to officially leave its rolls. Imagine that. They don't want to lower their numbers.
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RE: How to 100% remove myself from Catholicism
September 5, 2022 at 1:13 pm
One used to be able to write a "Letter of Defection" but the RCC quit taking them due to the droves of people sending them in.
Note that it's just like leaving a totalitarian country- you're a "defector".
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RE: How to 100% remove myself from Catholicism
September 5, 2022 at 1:20 pm
(September 5, 2022 at 12:41 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (September 5, 2022 at 12:19 pm)FormerCatholic Wrote: All good replies so far.
Physically and mentally, I'm no longer Catholic (As I don't attend church. Nor do I believe in the Catholic Church's teachings).
However, for political reasons (which I don't want to get into), I want to become officially non-Catholic. I don't like the idea that the Catholic Church still technically claims me (and makes it difficult to impossible to officially leave)
I did a little Googling around. Apparently, the Church has made it more difficult to officially leave its rolls. Imagine that. They don't want to lower their numbers.
It really is amazing. You're right, they don't want to lower their numbers.
Yet one of the posters shared a story of a Catholic family having to give a church back-pay (the family had stopped giving weekly donations) in order to get a funeral for a relative.
The church won't let you officially leave. Yet they have no qualms about swindling you if you've been a "bad Catholic"
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RE: How to 100% remove myself from Catholicism
September 5, 2022 at 1:29 pm
As previously mentioned (by me) in this thread, the only real way to cut yourself off from Catholicism is to dabble in perverted sex or drugs. You want out? Show God you really want out. Do things that would make your "fellow Catholics" look at you with a disgusted face.
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