Is Islam A Death Cult?

[Leonardo17]

I’m not sure I’m getting your point this time. You forget I’m not a native. In fact I’m as non-American as “an English man in New-York”
 
Still: Personal convictions are always different. In fact, we are different.
 
One example is the occult: I don’t visit astrologers, I never spent a dime on coffee readings but another famous author from the 70’s is Carlos Castaneda. He wrote books on Native American occultism with the use of herbs to gain extra sensorial perceptions. İn his book he meets a shaman who teaches him the old shamanic secrets. He does things like astral projections, he communicates telepathically, and he transforms himself into a crow (like the tale of witches who were able to transform themselves into cats etc.).
 
So I happen to believe in these things too.
 
Another issue is extraterrestrial life. A straight scientist will simply say that this is not possible. Why? – Because nothing is faster than the speed of life which is 300,000 km/s. So even with a sophisticated spaceship like that, we cannot get to the nearest star without spending 5 years in the interstellar void. So I know it’s crazy, but I am part of those who believe that things like the movie called “Contact” (1997 – Jodie Foster) could happen at some point in our history.
 
So I am basically sharing my own viewpoint on these religious issues because my point of view is that the more “dangerous” parts of religious communities around the world are adapting to a world that is increasingly rational and secular so in many cases they are even using science to defeat science. You must have heard of the schools for teenagers in the US where they reeducate teenagers who have a different sexual orientation because “God says No” and in the end they cause these kids to commit suicide, develop mental illnesses or worse, become complete liars and hypocrites like their parents.
 
So the reason why I am doing what I am doing, is to better respond to the claims of these “dangerous” people. Because, according to some Yoga teachings, we are in an age of increasing energies. So the energy of people who are smart and rational is increasing. But the energy of “low-energies” is also increasing. So they are going to portray more extreme and irrational actions in the future. Like the MAGA movement + storming of the Capital or anti-abortion measures in Poland. Do you know that several women died in Poland (which is a EU country) because doctors refused to terminate their pregnancies?

So I’m ok with anyone who sees mere uselessness in all religious teachings (including new-age teachings). Yet I have adopted a method which involves a particular type of approach toward religious teaching which itself is allowing me to respond to all the arguments issues by these “low-energies” in a much more efficient manner.
 
Just a quote from one of my social media post from today:
Stanger: - You must vote for God, the Prophet and the Holy Book.
Me: - You must vote for God, the Prophet and the Holy Book you S.o.B.
 
So that’s how I’m ticking and there isn’t much I can do about it.

[The Grand Nudger]

I’m not sure I’m getting your point this time. You forget I’m not a native. In fact I’m as non-American as “an English man in New-York”
 
Still: Personal convictions are always different. In fact, we are different.

We're not going to find universal religious truth in the ways that we're different, obvs.  

 
One example is the occult: I don’t visit astrologers, I never spent a dime on coffee readings but another famous author from the 70’s is Carlos Castaneda. He wrote books on Native American occultism with the use of herbs to gain extra sensorial perceptions. İn his book he meets a shaman who teaches him the old shamanic secrets. He does things like astral projections, he communicates telepathically, and he transforms himself into a crow (like the tale of witches who were able to transform themselves into cats etc.).
 
So I happen to believe in these things too.

Another issue is extraterrestrial life. A straight scientist will simply say that this is not possible. Why? – Because nothing is faster than the speed of life which is 300,000 km/s. So even with a sophisticated spaceship like that, we cannot get to the nearest star without spending 5 years in the interstellar void. So I know it’s crazy, but I am part of those who believe that things like the movie called “Contact” (1997 – Jodie Foster) could happen at some point in our history.
 

Your sacred reality doesn't appear to be exhausted by the abrahamic god.  Your god is in there, sure, but so is this other stuff.  Does islam exhaust sacred reality?  Is it's god a universally applicable idea?

More fundamentally, is the answer to the question of how many gods there are and who those gods prophets are actually relevant to universal religious truth in the first place?

-As an example. I think a candidate for universal religious truth is the moral import of healing. Tell me, what does the number of gods and the name of prophets have to do with that? What is allahs relationship to witchcraft?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I’m not sure I’m getting your point this time. You forget I’m not a native. In fact I’m as non-American as “an English man in New-York”
 
Still: Personal convictions are always different. In fact, we are different.
 
One example is the occult: I don’t visit astrologers, I never spent a dime on coffee readings but another famous author from the 70’s is Carlos Castaneda. He wrote books on Native American occultism with the use of herbs to gain extra sensorial perceptions. İn his book he meets a shaman who teaches him the old shamanic secrets. He does things like astral projections, he communicates telepathically, and he transforms himself into a crow (like the tale of witches who were able to transform themselves into cats etc.).
 
So I happen to believe in these things too.
 
Another issue is extraterrestrial life. A straight scientist will simply say that this is not possible. Why? – Because nothing is faster than the speed of life which is 300,000 km/s. So even with a sophisticated spaceship like that, we cannot get to the nearest star without spending 5 years in the interstellar void. So I know it’s crazy, but I am part of those who believe that things like the movie called “Contact” (1997 – Jodie Foster) could happen at some point in our history.
 
So I am basically sharing my own viewpoint on these religious issues because my point of view is that the more “dangerous” parts of religious communities around the world are adapting to a world that is increasingly rational and secular so in many cases they are even using science to defeat science. You must have heard of the schools for teenagers in the US where they reeducate teenagers who have a different sexual orientation because “God says No” and in the end they cause these kids to commit suicide, develop mental illnesses or worse, become complete liars and hypocrites like their parents.
 
So the reason why I am doing what I am doing, is to better respond to the claims of these “dangerous” people. Because, according to some Yoga teachings, we are in an age of increasing energies. So the energy of people who are smart and rational is increasing. But the energy of “low-energies” is also increasing. So they are going to portray more extreme and irrational actions in the future. Like the MAGA movement + storming of the Capital or anti-abortion measures in Poland. Do you know that several women died in Poland (which is a EU country) because doctors refused to terminate their pregnancies?

So I’m ok with anyone who sees mere uselessness in all religious teachings (including new-age teachings). Yet I have adopted a method which involves a particular type of approach toward religious teaching which itself is allowing me to respond to all the arguments issues by these “low-energies” in a much more efficient manner.
 
Just a quote from one of my social media post from today:
Stanger: - You must vote for God, the Prophet and the Holy Book.
Me: - You must vote for God, the Prophet and the Holy Book you S.o.B.
 
So that’s how I’m ticking and there isn’t much I can do about it.

(Bold mine)

Castaneda was a fraud. If you choose to believe in occult nonsense, that’s your own lookout. But don’t believe in it because a gifted confidence trickster told you so.

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

I think it's a product of innate religious impulse (or compulsion) that the most common response to discovering that the religion of your birth was fraudulent (one way or another)...is to immediately seek out some other fraud who/which will reassert the initial content in a different context.

Deeply motivated reasoning, if it even rises to the occasion of that designation.

[Leonardo17]

We're not going to find universal religious truth in the ways that we're different, obvs.  


Your sacred reality doesn't appear to be exhausted by the abrahamic god.  Your god is in there, sure, but so is this other stuff.  Does islam exhaust sacred reality?  Is it's god a universally applicable idea?

More fundamentally, is the answer to the question of how many gods there are and who those gods prophets are actually relevant to universal religious truth in the first place?

-As an example.  I think a candidate for universal religious truth is the moral import of healing.  Tell me, what does the number of gods and the name of prophets have to do with that?  What is allahs relationship to witchcraft?

1) As I told you I believe in a singular reality. There is just one Universe which is being governed by the rules of science.
 
I cannot say straight way that the God of Islam is a universal reality. The reason for this is that there are different interpretations of Islam (and of any other religion on earth). Religion doesn’t work like science. In science you can either prove something or you cannot prove it. It’s very simple. So there are types of religion. And therefore there are differences.
 
My point or argument is that, there is a Singular Reality that is being pointed at by all main religious traditions in this world. My personal journey has led me to this conclusion.
 
Last phrase: I think I missed you point again. Sorry
 
Yet another point I want to make again is this:
https://youtu.be/E8HR3LSUXrk?t=946
 
This is a link to a conversation between Sadhguru (a famous Indian Yogi) and a neuro scientist. What’s so funny about this video is that Sadhguru is someone who is used to meet people from basically all walk of life and he is used to being carefully listened to and he always has this feeling of superiority toward others. And in this video it doesn’t happen. Steven Laurey here is a positivist. (there is also a similar video of Sadhguru with the famous physics professor Michio Kaku. He too is a positivist and he too is seen in a video simply not engaging into a discussion with Sadhguru.
 
So if you see what I’m pointing at my ego is small. I don’t defy the rules of science and/or reason. In fact I’ve learned to live with the possibility that things that I believe in might not be correct. This is a part of my nature. SO there is always this possibility of me being completely wrong.
 
Yet, as I told you before, People in the past knew nothing about anything. So they invented Gods. The sea was stormy because Neptune was not satisfied. Crops would not grow because Ceres was angry. They did not know about electricity so they thought that thunder was a result of Donnar. Recently I had a friend who was joking while looking through the telescope and saying “Oh I see green fields, rivers of honey and beautiful young ladies…”
 
So I believe that someone has a very serious problem if he/she believes that being LGBTQ+ is a sickness that must be cured. You know like Ruth Bugs in the 2011 movie called Paul. I see problem when someone starts to defy reason or scientifically established facts.
 
And I also met a reiki master once. He wanted to help someone who was in Coma through bio-energy. The doctor simply refused him. So he had to send his Reiki energy from a distance.
 
This being said: - Yes the way I perceive Higher-Realities I think these can only be universal. If its non-universal, Non-Scientific or against reason
a) You are making a mistake (90% of the time) or
b) There is some problem with the teaching itself (bad translation, modification that has occurred in time, Religious figures distorting the original message, Lack of historical / cultural perspective etc. etc.)
 
SO I think you are used to be dealing with fanatics, people who forced scientists to silence, who manipulated the masses to their own benefit, who even tried to impeach Columbus from ever discovering America. I’m thinking of Copenicus, Galilei or even Taqi ad-Din whose 16th century observatory was demolished by angry mobs.
 
So what I say is that (unfortunately) religion is all of these things.
 
Yet: I doesn’t have to be all of these things. And that’s the strong aspect of religion. In fact political Islamists like to select these aspects of religion to first convince their would-be follower, then they start feeding them with all sorts of nonsense in order to be able to manipulate them according to their ego-oriented needs.
 
The reason for my conviction is that these “religious” people are usually the most ego-centric fear-based and most distorted personalities of the world. And, most people who believe in something in a sincere manner will tell you that the most basic aim of their belief system is to put some boundaries to this Ego situation.
 
Otherwise: I’m ok with positivism too. But right now I don’t see any contradiction with my beliefs and scientific facts. In fact it has been proved that regular meditation has very important health benefits, and Yoga for instance is now being taught in many sport facilities, colleges and universities around the world.
 
So I am seeking some sort of reconciliation here. Not confrontation

[Leonardo17]

(Bold mine)

Castaneda was a fraud. If you choose to believe in occult nonsense, that’s your own lookout. But don’t believe in it because a gifted confidence trickster told you so.

Boru

- Yes. I just saw that on Wikipedia.
 
Well. Believe me when I say that I didn’t get the message of the whole story anyway. As I said I’M not really into these things

[Leonardo17]

I think it's a product of innate religious impulse (or compulsion) that the most common response to discovering that the religion of your birth was fraudulent (one way or another)...is to immediately seek out some other fraud who/which will reassert the initial content in a different context.

Deeply motivated reasoning, if it even rises to the occasion of that designation.

I’m not saying this is impossible. I’m still a human being, I’ve had erroneous convictions before, I might be having them now.
 
But my point is that I never claimed that the earth is 5000 year old. This is not how I operate. fActual evidence / science / reason has always the upper hand.
 
Ex: I believe in Ayurvedic medicine too. But if I was to do such a thing I would check with a regular doctor to see if it would be harmless in my situation.
 
But it’s a good thing to be vigilant about these things. I’m not one of them. But there are still people in this world (in the Western world) who believe in things like exorcism although we know for sure that psychotic situation can be cured with a range of very efficient psychiatric drugs.
 
So yes, I think these debates must take place at all times

[The Grand Nudger]

We're not going to find universal religious truth in the ways that we're different, obvs.  


Your sacred reality doesn't appear to be exhausted by the abrahamic god.  Your god is in there, sure, but so is this other stuff.  Does islam exhaust sacred reality?  Is it's god a universally applicable idea?

More fundamentally, is the answer to the question of how many gods there are and who those gods prophets are actually relevant to universal religious truth in the first place?

-As an example.  I think a candidate for universal religious truth is the moral import of healing.  Tell me, what does the number of gods and the name of prophets have to do with that?  What is allahs relationship to witchcraft?

1) As I told you I believe in a singular reality. There is just one Universe which is being governed by the rules of science.
 
I cannot say straight way that the God of Islam is a universal reality. The reason for this is that there are different interpretations of Islam (and of any other religion on earth).

That is not the reason, or even any reason, that you can't say islam is universal reality.

Religion doesn’t work like science. In science you can either prove something or you cannot prove it. It’s very simple. So there are types of religion. And therefore there are differences.

Also not even in the wheelhouse of universal religious truth.  The reason that you can;t say that islam is universal reality is not because there are different interpretations or because islam isn't a science. 
 

My point or argument is that, there is a Singular Reality that is being pointed at by all main religious traditions in this world. My personal journey has led me to this conclusion.

Completely and laughably wrong.  All this tells me is that your journey has been mere steps, if at all, from where you began. This, like islam, says nothing of universal religious truth.

[Ferrocyanide]

BrianSoddingBoru4 explained it well.

I would only add that the word martyr is seldom used in the western world when describing fallen soldiers.
They just call them heroes but they also call soldiers that have returned heroes.

So, dying is not the highest honor.

I did some spiritual research on that. I think it’s as simple as this: If everyone in a marching military unit starts thinking “I would like to sea the sea before I die”, “I would like to unite with my lover and see if my children will be male or female”, “I could help my father work the land more efficiently” etc, that army will start moving backward instead of moving forward.
 
After the Battle of Thermopilae (Movie= 300 Spartans) the Spartans erected a monument there with this inscription:

Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
 
“O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians (Spartans) that
we lie here, obedient to their words.[144]

Thermopylae
 
 
Meaning: “O passenger, know that we died here as soldier (we died well) because we chose to obey to the order that were given to us”
 
- So this is a cultural phenomenon. People are said to have died well when they do it to defend other lives and the Quran is backing this approach. (that’s how I see it)

Remembering the soldiers that have died is a sign of respect. Like I said, the united statian culture, they call them heroes just like they call the surving soldiers heroes.
They don’t elevate the dead to a special status, they don’t use religion to promise to them a special heroes place in heaven.

Usually. the USA sends soldiers to defend itself from enemies who attacks one of their military installations, or an embassy, or building in New York and elsewhere.
The USA invests heavily into its spy network to gather intelligence on its enemies and to stop them from bombing some location on their soil.
It is better to take the intelligence approach since it saves lives and avoids sending a portion of their army to a foreign soil and spending big money on bombs.

The Islamic way is different. The dead are given a special status: the martyrs. Sometimes, the islamic leader (which has a telephone with the jewish god) promises a special place in heaven or 72 virgins.

I had a quick look at wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

The Messenger of Allah was asked about the best jihad. He said: "The best jihad is the one in which your horse is slain and your blood is spilled."

 — cited by Ibn Nuhaas and narrated by Ibn Habbaan[45]

So, there are different levels of jihad. The above is the best jihad.

Now, some would say that I am misinterpreting the above line and that it means self defense.
I disagree. The islamic world goes nuts when some guy burns a Koran or insults the creator of the Islamic religion.
They are ready for war for basically a few insults.
The USA and similar countries don’t give a damn if you insult them or burn their flag.
Recently, a muslim used that argument. He said “How would you like it if we burned your flag”.
I told him, go for it as long as you buy it with your own money.

We burn the flag too when we protest our government. The flag is not sacred.

So, for the USA and similar countries, they are not interested in sending their soldiers to their death unless there is a physical threat. Gathering intelligence helps to stop the evildoers.
The evildoers are muslims who don’t want a foreign army on their soil or they want Israel to belong to them.
The USA doesn’t promise its soldiers a piece of heaven if they sacrifice their lives.
We don’t need to tell them that.

I think the reason for that is that the soldiers in USA are people who want to be soldiers. In the muslim world, they want to conduct a jihad and they need to force all their people, all their farmers, all their programmers, doctors, veterinarians, cupcake makers and all to go to holy war.

[Leonardo17]

I did some spiritual research on that. I think it’s as simple as this: If everyone in a marching military unit starts thinking “I would like to sea the sea before I die”, “I would like to unite with my lover and see if my children will be male or female”, “I could help my father work the land more efficiently” etc, that army will start moving backward instead of moving forward.
 
After the Battle of Thermopilae (Movie= 300 Spartans) the Spartans erected a monument there with this inscription:

Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
 
“O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians (Spartans) that
we lie here, obedient to their words.[144]

Thermopylae
 
 
Meaning: “O passenger, know that we died here as soldier (we died well) because we chose to obey to the order that were given to us”
 
- So this is a cultural phenomenon. People are said to have died well when they do it to defend other lives and the Quran is backing this approach. (that’s how I see it)

Remembering the soldiers that have died is a sign of respect. Like I said, the united statian culture, they call them heroes just like they call the surving soldiers heroes.
They don’t elevate the dead to a special status, they don’t use religion to promise to them a special heroes place in heaven.

Usually. the USA sends soldiers to defend itself from enemies who attacks one of their military installations, or an embassy, or building in New York and elsewhere.
The USA invests heavily into its spy network to gather intelligence on its enemies and to stop them from bombing some location on their soil.
It is better to take the intelligence approach since it saves lives and avoids sending a portion of their army to a foreign soil and spending big money on bombs.

The Islamic way is different. The dead are given a special status: the martyrs. Sometimes, the islamic leader (which has a telephone with the jewish god) promises a special place in heaven or 72 virgins.

I had a quick look at wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

The Messenger of Allah was asked about the best jihad. He said: "The best jihad is the one in which your horse is slain and your blood is spilled."

 — cited by Ibn Nuhaas and narrated by Ibn Habbaan[45]

So, there are different levels of jihad. The above is the best jihad.

Now, some would say that I am misinterpreting the above line and that it means self defense.
I disagree. The islamic world goes nuts when some guy burns a Koran or insults the creator of the Islamic religion.
They are ready for war for basically a few insults.
The USA and similar countries don’t give a damn if you insult them or burn their flag.
Recently, a muslim used that argument. He said “How would you like it if we burned your flag”.
I told him, go for it as long as you buy it with your own money.

We burn the flag too when we protest our government. The flag is not sacred.

So, for the USA and similar countries, they are not interested in sending their soldiers to their death unless there is a physical threat. Gathering intelligence helps to stop the evildoers.
The evildoers are muslims who don’t want a foreign army on their soil or they want Israel to belong to them.
The USA doesn’t promise its soldiers a piece of heaven if they sacrifice their lives.
We don’t need to tell them that.

I think the reason for that is that the soldiers in USA are people who want to be soldiers. In the muslim world, they want to conduct a jihad and they need to force all their people, all their farmers, all their programmers, doctors, veterinarians, cupcake makers and all to go to holy war.

In George Orwell’s “Animal Farm” heaven is described to the animals living in the farm (as semi-human creatures) as a place where they can have a limitless amount of sugar.
 
So why aren’t we challenging these “women in heaven” issue as well? What if I am asexual? Or If I go there without a body (which is completely obvious to me), How do I … you know even if I want to? I remember an old guy saying “We are definitely not taking the right path if we are to go to heaven”. (Meaning how do you go below and end up there – It doesn’t make any sense).
 
So I believe that this, and all the other issues are things that the spiritual seeker has to solve one-by-one, year after year.
 
To me “Heaven” means infinity. Like the sky in the material world, it’s endless. So dying, in any way, means there is a journey beyond this physical realm.
 
The Martyr in Islam is similar to the martyr in Christianity. That person refuses to bow to brutal force, because of a belief in a higher reality, and ends up dead.
 
In order to be a military martyr, you have to do like the Greeks or Tom Cruise in “The Last Samurai". You have “To die as you lived” or you have to “end well” we use the exact same term in my language. We say “he ended well” and (I studied Greek in College) in various texts the Greek say that a person who died in a war has “Ended well”.
 
And I don’t really know what is the whole problem with these women in the fields of Heaven. Still I did some interesting reading today. So maybe this has to do with ancient societies suppressing sexuality completely or limiting it to the realm of procreation. (I mean Dark Age Societies – Some Hindu Traditions have this System, they define the Era between 1200 BC – the Bronze age collapse 800 BC – The start of Classical Greek Period – and 1400 AD  -The renaissance / 1700 AD – Industrial Age as a Dark Age in term of energies spiritual knowledge). So the rulers of the Dark Age had to make their people obey. As Confucius said they had to “keep their stomach full and their brains empty”. In a village the village headsman had to be respected. In a family, the Father was a very important figure and therefore had to be respected. And this could be done just with “no desert / TV for you tonight go straight to bed”. Fear had to be used. Today we totally despise these things. We Think of Russia as a terrorist state now. Back in the 10th century, this was simply the main method of controlling people. Therefore you could have them work in the field for very little with a promise of “Heaven” for being pious servants of their lord and their church. We despise it today, but so had to be family issues. People died of many things so women had to be pregnant all the time. You couldn’t afford them to say “I only want 3 children” So which method will you use? – One method was to tell them that Eve was created second after Adam and that it was her who caused all the evil in this world by picking up the forbidden fruit and causing us to land in this planet.
 
   And “low self-esteem” was a great thing too. The İranian regime / the Dictatorial Sudanese regime is all based on that. They tell their people “You are not like westerners, you are just animals, therefore you need me”. Today we are revolted to these things. But this is how things had to be done in the Dark Age cultures by religious figures who were slightly more aware than the ordinary masses.
 
   So I mean the whole thing a matter of adaptation of the original teachings. You can’t reduce Sex to simple procreation today. Or you can’t create ignorant / brainwashed masses who will go wherever you want them to go. Why? Because we need self-conscious / creative / Self-loving and confident citizens because they are the ones who make society work. We don’t have Absolute monarchs anymore.
 
And the issue of martyrs is also something like that. I don’t need stories like that. If the Russians came here I would go and defend my country. Period.
 
And on those “wrong” interpretation of religious messages: People like me (of any religion) know these things. We don’t wait until they become terrorists. We are able to see that when they start selling their religion to other people or start to act like fanatics or philistines on some simple religious issues. We really do. But usually we don’t talk as much as they do. The reason for that is that these people feed on us. If a person like that is reading me right now, they will pick up the “good stuff”, mix it with their twisted interpretation and use the whole thing to create something like this Starvation Cult in Kenya:
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-65363585
 
The only issue here is that we still have brains. So Mons are Mons and we are what we are. That’s how I see it

Second Part:

 
I don’t see it that way. I think symbols must be respected. There are stories about Romans paying enormous sums or engaging into war to recover the standards of their legion. I don’t believe in prohibiting it. But if something means something to someone, you are attacking that person by attacking that object.
 
Some nations are simply more patriotic. But I don’t agree with burning the US Flag because there are people who died to defend it. So to me it’s not an adult thing to do such things
 
The Issue of Israel:
 
I’m not a political scientist but this is a completely messed up situation. I believe that my country should stay out of it. I say “Let them deal on this issue with one another, because I really don’t care”
 
Yet the complete issue doesn’t seem like the attitude of a grown up to me. Like the issue of Climate change.
 
All three religion are living at that place right? How about turning that mosque into a temple for all three monotheistic religion? O better, Let us build two other temples right next to it and lets focus on other issues?
 
Why I see it this way?
 
- Because I talking about some inner reality. I personally do not need a monument to connect with God. Of course I like visiting Religious structures. But I don’t need nothing that’s physical to experience this inner reality. Some amount of quietness and loneliness maybe. But that’s all.
 
So when I see those images of people fighting one another inside a mosque in the Muslim Holyday celebrations my point of view is that something really stupid is going on.
I fact our world is headed toward disaster. And that’s because our spiritual understanding is very low. We are still under the influence of this “dark age”. And if we are unable to change it, I don’t know how far we will go with that level of stupidity.
 
Seriously what is this?
 
- Oh my temple my God
- Noooo! My temple my God.
- No God has four Arms
- Nooooo He has only 2…
 
Where is this even going. As I said. The people like me, we see these things