Is Islam A Death Cult?

[Angrboda]

If you think that what I just wrote is nothing, then you're an idiot.  These things have consequences.  

All you're showing is that you're another deluded Muslim who, when confronted with the truth, sticks his fingers in his ears and goes, "La la la, I can't hear you."

Bluster and ad hominem. Is this what passes for evidence in your neck of the woods?

It's said that if you cannot repeat back to a person what they have argued in your own words then you haven't understood what they've argued.

Let's see if you can pass that test. Tell me what my point is and what I'm trying to prove?

[Niblo]

Let's see if you can pass that test. Tell me what my point is and what I'm trying to prove?
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I have stated that Islam is not a 'death cult.'

You disagree, and that is your right.

You claim that I am: 'Another deluded Muslim who, when confronted with the truth, sticks his fingers in his ears and goes, "La la la, I can't hear you.'

I invite you to confront me with the truth; to demonstrate - with appropriate evidence - why you are entitled to call me 'deluded'. Surely, this is not too great a task?

[Angrboda]

Let's see if you can pass that test.  Tell me what my point is and what I'm trying to prove?

I have stated that Islam is not a 'death cult.'

You disagree, and that is your right.

You claim that I am: 'Another deluded Muslim who, when confronted with the truth, sticks his fingers in his ears and goes, "La la la, I can't hear you.'

I invite you to confront me with the truth; to demonstrate - with appropriate evidence - why you are entitled to call me 'deluded'.  Surely, this is not too great a task?

*bzzzzT* Wrong answer.

You've already demonstrated the case by claiming that I had "nothing" in response to a perfectly legitimate question. If you want to respond with something other than a litany of trash talk, I'd be more than happy to discuss the matter. But so long as you're just content to address strawmen and talk shit, I fail to see any point. Perhaps you can enlighten me on that score?

Also, if you could stop incompetently mangling the quotes, it would be appreciated.

[Niblo]

I have stated that Islam is not a 'death cult.'

You disagree, and that is your right.

You claim that I am: 'Another deluded Muslim who, when confronted with the truth, sticks his fingers in his ears and goes, "La la la, I can't hear you.'

I invite you to confront me with the truth; to demonstrate - with appropriate evidence - why you are entitled to call me 'deluded'.  Surely, this is not too great a task?

*bzzzzT* Wrong answer.

You've already demonstrated the case by claiming that I had "nothing" in response to a perfectly legitimate question. If you want to respond with something other than a litany of trash talk, I'd be more than happy to discuss the matter. But so long as you're just content to address strawmen and talk shit, I fail to see any point. Perhaps you can enlighten me on that score?

Also, if you could stop incompetently mangling the quotes, it would be appreciated.

Still no evidence. Thank you for your time.

[Angrboda]

*bzzzzT* Wrong answer.  

You've already demonstrated the case by claiming that I had "nothing" in response to a perfectly legitimate question.  If you want to respond with something other than a litany of trash talk, I'd be more than happy to discuss the matter.  But so long as you're just content to address strawmen and talk shit, I fail to see any point.  Perhaps you can enlighten me on that score?

Also, if you could stop incompetently mangling the quotes, it would be appreciated.

Still no evidence. Thank you for your time.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You asserted that Islam is not a death cult without evidence. Thank you for playing.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, I've shared my thoughts. What do you think a death cult is, Niblo? Maybe islam isn't whatever that is and if we understood each other we'd agree?

[KerimF]

Hi,

I rejoined this forum after many years. So, now, I am somehow as a new member.

Based on my personal observations (being a rational independent observer), my comment is valid for any religion, cult or even well-defined non-scientific belief, not just for Islam. I will refer to all of them simply by one word, ‘religion’.

If the teachings of a religion can be made to serve the interests of the powerful rich World's Elite around the world, it would be out of question to let it die. I will give two examples (I am 73, born and live in Middle East). 

By using Islam (or in the name of Islam), thousands of American citizens were sacrificed first horribly, in daylight and as high as possible so that the entire world could witness it (I personally cannot forget what I saw on that tragic day on my TV). Soon later, it became ‘natural’ and even legitimate to invade countries as Afghanistan then Iraq and, most of all, to terrorize millions of people around the world (including the countries hit in the ‘Arab Spring’) by well-trained international mercenaries (trained to play the Islamic terrorists). Although most Muslims around the world are peaceful, this doesn’t prevent the powerful rich World’s Elite use their Islam in creating more and more mines of gold (that is bloody conflicts and anonymous terror).
 
The second example is that Judaism was revived. But was it for the good of Jews? Let us see if it was for their good or not. Between WW1 and WW2, an ugly anti-Jew propaganda was launched globally. So, even Hollywood was also involved in it. In fact, in many Hollywood movies of that era, one could see clear signs on many public entries (as of theaters, restaurants, hotels and the like) on which it was written something like “No entry for dogs and Jews”. The purpose of this universal propaganda was just to isolate, as much as possible, the Jewish communities around the world from all other ones, but without hurting them in any way. This was the first step. In WW2 (which was planned by geniuses of its greatest end beneficiaries, but this is another story), while the German troops started to withdraw and be defeated, many Jewish families were accused of treason by well-prepared documents and clues which were presented the Nazi officers as solid proofs. This let many Jews in Europe to live real hard days and many of them were executed horribly; their executions were very well documented as video and audio. This was the second step. Naturally, by showing the tragic scenes of these executions (known as Holocaust later) to the isolated Jewish families around the world, millions of them didn’t hesitate to move from where they used living for centuries to what is supposed to be ‘The Promised Land’ in Palestine. This was the third step. In the fourth step, the Jewish people were presented to the world as being powerless and miserable and need world’s help against their neighbors. The fifth and end step is that a big military base, dressed civil, was cleverly planted in Middle East whose job is to destabilize the region whenever the World’s Elite see it necessary (for their interests). In fact, every imported Jew to the Promised Land had to accept and sign first that he/she (as their coming babies) is a soldier before any other civil title/profession he/she may have.
 
In reality, ordinary people in one region, looking for their daily bread and peace, have no reason to hate their counterparts in any other region. But peace doesn’t serve the interests of the powerful rich classes. The multitudes cannot be controlled if they are not made to live in fear, for one reason or another. And the main job of the well-paid well-supported international and local news agencies is to fuel continuously a state of fear in every country which could be related to inside or outside matters.
 
Conclusion: Islam and Judaism will surely not die because they are under the protection of the World’s Elite who knew how to master and use millions of their believers in their global strategies.
 
Now one may ask: “But who are those powerful rich World’s Elite to whom you keep referring”?
I am afraid that the answer is related to Politics. But I can add two points.
First, they live in many countries (though most of them live now in the greatest ones, like Russia, China, USA to name a few). After all, the world is now a planet with no borders to those Elite and to their close servants/mercenaries. The national borders are made for the world’s ordinary people only.
Second, while they are of different nationality, they are surely not naive (or idiot) to be divided while together they can (thanks to the very advanced technologies) better control their people in every region around the world. But this also doesn’t prevent them to play, before their multitudes, as actors do in great movies in which they could play the roles of the Good, the bad and the Ugly as it is written in a well-prepared scenario for all of them.
 
Finally, I am afraid that “Whoever cannot resist hating some others has no chance to discover or know the hidden truths in the universal fairy tales made for adults”.
 
Cheers,
Kerim

[A. Secular Human]

Hi,

I rejoined this forum after many years. So, now, I am somehow as a new member.

Based on my personal observations (being a rational independent observer), my comment is valid for any religion, cult or even well-defined non-scientific belief, not just for Islam. I will refer to all of them simply by one word, ‘religion’.

If the teachings of a religion can be made to serve the interests of the powerful rich World's Elite around the world, it would be out of question to let it die. I will give two examples (I am 73, born and live in Middle East). 

By using Islam (or in the name of Islam), thousands of American citizens were sacrificed first horribly, in daylight and as high as possible so that the entire world could witness it (I personally cannot forget what I saw on that tragic day on my TV). Soon later, it became ‘natural’ and even legitimate to invade countries as Afghanistan then Iraq and, most of all, to terrorize millions of people around the world (including the countries hit in the ‘Arab Spring’) by well-trained international mercenaries (trained to play the Islamic terrorists). Although most Muslims around the world are peaceful, this doesn’t prevent the powerful rich World’s Elite use their Islam in creating more and more mines of gold (that is bloody conflicts and anonymous terror).
 
The second example is that Judaism was revived. But was it for the good of Jews? Let us see if it was for their good or not. Between WW1 and WW2, an ugly anti-Jew propaganda was launched globally. So, even Hollywood was also involved in it. In fact, in many Hollywood movies of that era, one could see clear signs on many public entries (as of theaters, restaurants, hotels and the like) on which it was written something like “No entry for dogs and Jews”. The purpose of this universal propaganda was just to isolate, as much as possible, the Jewish communities around the world from all other ones, but without hurting them in any way. This was the first step. In WW2 (which was planned by geniuses of its greatest end beneficiaries, but this is another story), while the German troops started to withdraw and be defeated, many Jewish families were accused of treason by well-prepared documents and clues which were presented the Nazi officers as solid proofs. This let many Jews in Europe to live real hard days and many of them were executed horribly; their executions were very well documented as video and audio. This was the second step. Naturally, by showing the tragic scenes of these executions (known as Holocaust later) to the isolated Jewish families around the world, millions of them didn’t hesitate to move from where they used living for centuries to what is supposed to be ‘The Promised Land’ in Palestine. This was the third step. In the fourth step, the Jewish people were presented to the world as being powerless and miserable and need world’s help against their neighbors. The fifth and end step is that a big military base, dressed civil, was cleverly planted in Middle East whose job is to destabilize the region whenever the World’s Elite see it necessary (for their interests). In fact, every imported Jew to the Promised Land had to accept and sign first that he/she (as their coming babies) is a soldier before any other civil title/profession he/she may have.
 
In reality, ordinary people in one region, looking for their daily bread and peace, have no reason to hate their counterparts in any other region. But peace doesn’t serve the interests of the powerful rich classes. The multitudes cannot be controlled if they are not made to live in fear, for one reason or another. And the main job of the well-paid well-supported international and local news agencies is to fuel continuously a state of fear in every country which could be related to inside or outside matters.
 
Conclusion: Islam and Judaism will surely not die because they are under the protection of the World’s Elite who knew how to master and use millions of their believers in their global strategies.
 
Now one may ask: “But who are those powerful rich World’s Elite to whom you keep referring”?
I am afraid that the answer is related to Politics. But I can add two points.
First, they live in many countries (though most of them live now in the greatest ones, like Russia, China, USA to name a few). After all, the world is now a planet with no borders to those Elite and to their close servants/mercenaries. The national borders are made for the world’s ordinary people only.
Second, while they are of different nationality, they are surely not naive (or idiot) to be divided while together they can (thanks to the very advanced technologies) better control their people in every region around the world. But this also doesn’t prevent them to play, before their multitudes, as actors do in great movies in which they could play the roles of the Good, the bad and the Ugly as it is written in a well-prepared scenario for all of them.
 
Finally, I am afraid that “Whoever cannot resist hating some others has no chance to discover or know the hidden truths in the universal fairy tales made for adults”.
 
Cheers,
Kerim

There's a *lot* of what is commonly referred to as "conspiracy theory" in that post, with zero evidence to support it.

[KerimF]

Hi,

I rejoined this forum after many years. So, now, I am somehow as a new member.

Based on my personal observations (being a rational independent observer), my comment is valid for any religion, cult or even well-defined non-scientific belief, not just for Islam. I will refer to all of them simply by one word, ‘religion’.

If the teachings of a religion can be made to serve the interests of the powerful rich World's Elite around the world, it would be out of question to let it die. I will give two examples (I am 73, born and live in Middle East). 

By using Islam (or in the name of Islam), thousands of American citizens were sacrificed first horribly, in daylight and as high as possible so that the entire world could witness it (I personally cannot forget what I saw on that tragic day on my TV). Soon later, it became ‘natural’ and even legitimate to invade countries as Afghanistan then Iraq and, most of all, to terrorize millions of people around the world (including the countries hit in the ‘Arab Spring’) by well-trained international mercenaries (trained to play the Islamic terrorists). Although most Muslims around the world are peaceful, this doesn’t prevent the powerful rich World’s Elite use their Islam in creating more and more mines of gold (that is bloody conflicts and anonymous terror).
 
The second example is that Judaism was revived. But was it for the good of Jews? Let us see if it was for their good or not. Between WW1 and WW2, an ugly anti-Jew propaganda was launched globally. So, even Hollywood was also involved in it. In fact, in many Hollywood movies of that era, one could see clear signs on many public entries (as of theaters, restaurants, hotels and the like) on which it was written something like “No entry for dogs and Jews”. The purpose of this universal propaganda was just to isolate, as much as possible, the Jewish communities around the world from all other ones, but without hurting them in any way. This was the first step. In WW2 (which was planned by geniuses of its greatest end beneficiaries, but this is another story), while the German troops started to withdraw and be defeated, many Jewish families were accused of treason by well-prepared documents and clues which were presented the Nazi officers as solid proofs. This let many Jews in Europe to live real hard days and many of them were executed horribly; their executions were very well documented as video and audio. This was the second step. Naturally, by showing the tragic scenes of these executions (known as Holocaust later) to the isolated Jewish families around the world, millions of them didn’t hesitate to move from where they used living for centuries to what is supposed to be ‘The Promised Land’ in Palestine. This was the third step. In the fourth step, the Jewish people were presented to the world as being powerless and miserable and need world’s help against their neighbors. The fifth and end step is that a big military base, dressed civil, was cleverly planted in Middle East whose job is to destabilize the region whenever the World’s Elite see it necessary (for their interests). In fact, every imported Jew to the Promised Land had to accept and sign first that he/she (as their coming babies) is a soldier before any other civil title/profession he/she may have.
 
In reality, ordinary people in one region, looking for their daily bread and peace, have no reason to hate their counterparts in any other region. But peace doesn’t serve the interests of the powerful rich classes. The multitudes cannot be controlled if they are not made to live in fear, for one reason or another. And the main job of the well-paid well-supported international and local news agencies is to fuel continuously a state of fear in every country which could be related to inside or outside matters.
 
Conclusion: Islam and Judaism will surely not die because they are under the protection of the World’s Elite who knew how to master and use millions of their believers in their global strategies.
 
Now one may ask: “But who are those powerful rich World’s Elite to whom you keep referring”?
I am afraid that the answer is related to Politics. But I can add two points.
First, they live in many countries (though most of them live now in the greatest ones, like Russia, China, USA to name a few). After all, the world is now a planet with no borders to those Elite and to their close servants/mercenaries. The national borders are made for the world’s ordinary people only.
Second, while they are of different nationality, they are surely not naive (or idiot) to be divided while together they can (thanks to the very advanced technologies) better control their people in every region around the world. But this also doesn’t prevent them to play, before their multitudes, as actors do in great movies in which they could play the roles of the Good, the bad and the Ugly as it is written in a well-prepared scenario for all of them.
 
Finally, I am afraid that “Whoever cannot resist hating some others has no chance to discover or know the hidden truths in the universal fairy tales made for adults”.
 
Cheers,
Kerim

There's a *lot* of what is commonly referred to as "conspiracy theory" in that post, with zero evidence to support it.

You are right. There is no conventional evidence of the real happenings in the world behind the scenes.
I just observe and analyze the fruits of what is happening around the world.
I do it just for my own knowledge so that I won't see a naive confused man every time I look at a mirror.
About others, not in vain, we keep hearing, ignorance is a bless.

For instance, even if billions of people around the world are able to see and analyze these fruits as I do, no one can stop the powerful rich World's Elite to go on spreading their fairy tales made for adults while they control the powerless 'peaceful' multitudes in every country.
The 3rd World War, we live, is now vertical. It is no more horizontal as the conventional wars were in the past. But I am afraid that one cannot get what this actually means unless his heart is clean towards everyone.

By the way, I wonder how someone could expect really from those who have the means to control billions of people to also help us have solid evidence of what they dream and do

[Niblo]

Well, I've shared my thoughts. What do you think a death cult is, Niblo? Maybe islam isn't whatever that is and if we understood each other we'd agree?

Concerning the Characteristics of a Cult:

Perhaps we are agreed that every cult has its own distinctive characteristics; but that almost all of these groups share at least some elements in common, such as:

1. The exercise of authoritarian control in matters belief.

2. Members are compelled to venerate a single individual.

3. Members are compelled to isolate themselves from society; to live and/or socialise only with other group members; to cut ties with family and friends who are not members of the Cult.

4. Members are to regard themselves as an elite; to claim a special, exalted status for the Cult; for its leader(s) and for themselves.

5. Members are compelled to hold to dogmatic beliefs; and are unable to question these belief systems without fear of reprisal, or punishment, from the leader, or other group members.

6. Members who leave (abandon) the Cult are to be punished.

My intention – in šāʾ Allāh – is to take each of these elements in turn, in order to see if they can be applied – justifiably – to Islam.

I am mindful of a famous statement, attributed to Abū Ḥanīfah’s (and also to al-Shāfi‘ī):

‘I believe that my opinions are correct, but I am cognisant of the fact that my opinions may be wrong. I also believe that the opinions of my opponents are wrong, but I am cognisant of the fact that they may be correct.’

Concerning the notion that Islam exercises authoritarian control in matters of belief:

The Qur’an makes it clear that people are free to choose whatever religion they wish (or to have no religion at all):

The Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) is addressed as follows:

‘Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. So can you compel people to believe?’ (Yunus: 99)

His task is clearly demarcated:

‘Say: “Now the Truth has come to you from your Lord: let those who wish to believe in it do so, and let those who wish to reject it do so.”’ (Al-Kahf: 29).

Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) says:

‘There is no compulsion in religion (lā ikrāha fī’l-dīn): true guidance has become distinct from error, so whoever rejects false gods and believes in Allāh has grasped the firmest hand-hold, one that will never break. Allāh is all hearing and all knowing.’ (Al-Baqara: 256).

Muhammad Abdel Haleem, King Fahd Professor of Islamic Studies at the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, writes:

‘This verse begins with the phrase lā ikrāha fī’l-dīn (there is no compulsion in religion). It is introduced by ‘lā’, the particle of absolute negation in Arabic, which negates absolutely the notion of compulsion in religion. Religion in the Qur’an is based on choice, and true choice is based on knowledge and making matters clear for people to choose. The rest of the ‘there is no compulsion in religion’ verse gives reasons justifying and explaining this.’ (‘Exploring the Qur'an: Context and Impact’).

Khaled M. Abou El Fadl – Omar and Azmeralda Alfi Distinguished Professor of Law at the UCLA School of Law – reminds us that:

‘………. there is no church in Islam, and that no person, or set of persons, embodies God’s Divine authority. The picture conveyed and repeated is one of egalitarianism and the accessibility of God’s truth to all. Muslims strive to discover the Divine Will but no one has the authority to lay an exclusive claim to it.

‘(…) Because accountability is individual and no one may carry the burden of another, the net result is a diversity of consciences, beliefs, and actions.’ (‘Speaking in God's Name’).

The notion that Islam exercises authoritarian control in matters of belief is false.

If Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) had wanted to compel all people to believe, then He would have done so. Instead, He has willed that they come to believe in Him by their own free choice. It is clear, therefore, that we are free either to accept Him, or to deny Him.

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