Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.

[Astreja]

A woman's body is sovereign territory, and I believe that she has an absolute right to rule it as she will, and banish anything and anyone from its borders at her sole discretion. No exceptions.

[Bucky Ball]

Hitler was not a Christian, he was an Apostate from Christianity. He praised the works of Julian the Apostate, an Anti-Christian Roman Emperor, and condemned St. Paul for allegedly falsifying the Gospel of Christ - which no Christian Denomination holds, although Anti-Christian Deists, Atheists and Nihilists like Nietzche have; next, speaking of Nietzche, Nietzche and his rambling atheistic nihilist fantasies were a big intellectual influence on Hitler. Hitler gifted volumes of them to his pal Mussolini. Here is Wiki: "In Table Talk, Hitler praised Julian the Apostate's Against the Galileans, an anti-Christian tract from AD 362, in the entry dated 21 October 1941, stating: "When one thinks of the opinions held concerning Christianity by our best minds a hundred, two hundred years ago, one is ashamed to realise how little we have since evolved. I didn't know that Julian the Apostate had passed judgment with such clear-sightedness on Christianity and Christians. ... Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism the destroyer. Nevertheless, the Galilean, who later was called the Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who took up His position against Jewry.... and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew ... The decisive falsification of Jesus's doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work with subtlety and for purposes of personal exploitation. For the Galilean's object was to liberate His country from Jewish oppression. He set Himself against Jewish capitalism, and that's why the Jews liquidated Him. Paul of Tarsus (his name was Saul, before the road to Damascus) was one of those who persecuted Jesus most savagely."

He who says Jesus Christ was not of the Jewish Race is an Apostate from Christianity and denies the Gospel from the very First Page. What is the First Line of the Gospel: That Jesus Christ was "the Son of David, the Son of Abraham" (Mat 1:1). Now, of what Tribe was David? Why, of Judah of course, from whom the Jews are named. In other words, King David and Jesus Christ were obviously Jewish by Race; but Hitler's Racist and German White Nationalist and Aryan theories told him otherwise. Needless to say, such false Aryan European Political Ideologies have nothing to do with Apostolic, Biblical Christianity, for most of Christ's Disciples, being Jews and Asians, would have been brown men; early on in the Acts of the Apostles, we see Ethiopians, i.e. Africans or Black Men, come to Christ and to Holy Baptism. And of course Christ Himself evangelized many Centurions who were Romans, i.e. Europeans as well. So, we see Christianity was a truly Multi-Cultural, Multi-Racial, Multi-Ethnic and indeed arguably the first Truly Universal Religion to ever have existed, welcoming without discrimination people from all races and classes, from all nations and ethnicities, to receive by grace through faith the saving waters of Baptism. St. Paul confirms: “There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal 3:28). Maybe this is what Hitler called the alleged "Jewish Bolshevism" of St. Paul, the alleged "decisive falsifier of Christ's doctrine". Lol. Hitler was an Apostate from Christianity influenced by Nietzche, who also ridiculously accused St. Paul, the Great Martyr for Christ, of such similar silly things.

Now, let's come back to Abortion; first, I want to address an unheard-of-strawman and Non-Sequitur. Accidental Deaths happen, therefore homicides are good? The argument from miscarriages is a bit like that. Babies even after birth may die accidentally, but that in no way means it is ok to kill them ourselves; we should try to save them if we can; if we genuinely cannot, it's ok. But to kill them ourselves is clearly a sin/wrong.

And now to Angrboda; hey, you missed a word yourself, hear let me add it for you. lol.

(1) All [white] [born] Human Beings have All Human Rights (2) therefore, we can kill or discriminate against non-white, non-born children/people etc. Sigh, same old same old errors of the racists, the eugenicists etc of a former age.

All these errors come when some Human Beings are denied some Human Rights. Those human beings who are born, like those human beings who are white, are only a particular subset of All Human Beings. Either all human beings have all human rights or none do. Granted therefore that at least some do [such as those born], it follows that all do [including the pre-born]. Otherwise, one can discriminate against anyone, based on race, age, sex or gender, and various other categories, saying arbitrarily they lack the right to life. Rights are Natural. Everyone deserves rights based on their Nature. The Child in the Womb is Naturally Human. Therefore, it has a Natural Right to Life, period, the same as children after birth.

@ Deese: "Therefore...what is the appropriate punishment for an (illegal) abortion? ... Your refusal to address my very valid latest points is also noted. You dont care about babies or fetuses being aborted naturally, do you? You care about the mothers aborting them, do you? Prove me wrong by correctly addressing my objections. Show me what a bad, baad militant atheist i am."

You should read what President Lincoln wrote about the Abolition of Slavery. Prez. Lincoln, who helped abolish slavery, was a devout Evangelical Christian (not an alleged deist and practical atheist, as someone else alleged on another thread, lol), as many of his statements show. He himself was firmly for Abolition, and we are for Abolition of Abortion today, by change of hearts and minds above all, but also by the law gradually recognizing the Truth, that Unborn Children are Human Persons worthy of Legal Protection. Yet, he made every allowance for those who did such things while the law permitted it, while gradually directing the laws, and the consciences of people, in the right direction. Here is Wiki: "Many abolitionists emphasized the sinfulness of slave owners, but Lincoln did not.[5] Lincoln tended not to be judgmental. In his 1854 Peoria, Illinois, speech, he said, "I have no prejudice against the Southern people. They are just what we would be in their situation. If slavery did not now exist amongst them, they would not introduce it. If it did now exist amongst us, we should not instantly give it up."[6] In 1865, in his second inaugural address, he said, "It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged," and he urged "malice toward none" and "charity for all." Nonetheless, Lincoln suggested, God had judged the nation — "both North and South" — for the "offence" of slavery.[7][8]"

So, yes, we are for amnesty and forgiveness for all who did such things while the Law wrongly taught them it was ok to kill children; and we also see women as largely victims of abortion; but, in time, the laws should reflect the Truth that babies both after and before birth are human beings, which is a biological fact - not surprising those who deny there is even such thing as a Woman anymore, and that a Man can become a Woman simply if he identifies as one, as some people claim, should deny biological facts on this too - and therefore are legally entitled to all human rights. The same as former slaves were, the same as various other people discriminated against in the course of history deserve, simply by being human.

Hitler and National Socialism was voted in to power by a Christian nation.

Jesus Christ was "the Son of David, the Son of Abraham".

I thought Gabriel announced to Mary that God was his father. Is God a Jew ?
How many daddies did he need ?

[Angrboda]

Hitler was not a Christian, he was an Apostate from Christianity. He praised the works of Julian the Apostate, an Anti-Christian Roman Emperor, and condemned St. Paul for allegedly falsifying the Gospel of Christ - which no Christian Denomination holds, although Anti-Christian Deists, Atheists and Nihilists like Nietzche have; next, speaking of Nietzche, Nietzche and his rambling atheistic nihilist fantasies were a big intellectual influence on Hitler. Hitler gifted volumes of them to his pal Mussolini. Here is Wiki: "In Table Talk, Hitler praised Julian the Apostate's Against the Galileans, an anti-Christian tract from AD 362, in the entry dated 21 October 1941, stating: "When one thinks of the opinions held concerning Christianity by our best minds a hundred, two hundred years ago, one is ashamed to realise how little we have since evolved. I didn't know that Julian the Apostate had passed judgment with such clear-sightedness on Christianity and Christians. ... Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism the destroyer. Nevertheless, the Galilean, who later was called the Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who took up His position against Jewry.... and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew ... The decisive falsification of Jesus's doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work with subtlety and for purposes of personal exploitation. For the Galilean's object was to liberate His country from Jewish oppression. He set Himself against Jewish capitalism, and that's why the Jews liquidated Him. Paul of Tarsus (his name was Saul, before the road to Damascus) was one of those who persecuted Jesus most savagely."

Have you not heard, brother? We are all sinners in the eyes of the Lord. It is not for any of us to lay claim to an uncorrupted view of our Lord and Savior.

Remove the beam from thine eye, friend!

[The Valkyrie]

I see we're now using the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Look it up!

[The Valkyrie]

I see we're now using the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Look it up!

[Angrboda]

A woman's body is sovereign territory, and I believe that she has an absolute right to rule it as she will, and banish anything and anyone from its borders at her sole discretion.  No exceptions.

[Angrboda]

[The Grand Nudger]

Xavier, word of advice, you don't have the logical chops to be having this debate with me.  You'll just end up embarrassing yourself.

They never take the advice, hell, they won't even accept the help when you try to repair their arguments.

[Paleophyte]

Hitler was not a Christian, he was an Apostate from Christianity.

Then you should have no difficulty naming the Pope who excommunicated him.

[Deesse23]

@ Deese: "Therefore...what is the appropriate punishment for an (illegal) abortion? ... Your refusal to address my very valid latest points is also noted. You dont care about babies or fetuses being aborted naturally, do you? You care about the mothers aborting them, do you? Prove me wrong by correctly addressing my objections. Show me what a bad, baad militant atheist i am."

You should read what President Lincoln wrote about the Abolition of Slavery. 

No i should not
But, you should answer my fucking question: What is the correct punishment for abortion?
We both know why you never will. Its because your are a dishonest, cowardly fuck....there, see, i insulted you again. Dont be a dishonest, cowardly fuck if you dont want me to call you out for it. Just answer my question, and we are friends again. I mean you DO care about those little babies*, you WANT the murderers to be punished, dont you???????????

* Who, as you so eloquently elaborated, have a hearbeat, those poor little, cute babies, who have a right to live AS ANYONE ELSE